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Cambiker71
03-09-2017, 06:23 PM
Hi all, after building my FWD RWS trike I've started on something a bit quicker, my take on the spirit bike with 700/20 wheels :D

Started last night by making a few measurements and cutting the headset off a bike ready to take to work today to drill the hole in the main boom for the headset.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1776.jpg

And this evening I've spent about 3 hours cutting, measuring and welding to come up with this....

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1783.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1784.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1782.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1785.jpg

darnthedog
03-09-2017, 08:40 PM
Curious why you are calling a clone? As it is being assembled similar to the plans with the exceptions of suspended fork and 700C wheel, which are minor variations.

LongRider
03-10-2017, 10:23 AM
In biology, cloning is the process of producing similar populations of genetically identical individuals

Seems somewhat fitting to me...

go1000go
03-10-2017, 02:21 PM
I think 3 hours is fabulous progress to get so far, wish my builds went so swift

Cambiker71
03-10-2017, 06:20 PM
Curious why you are calling a clone? As it is being assembled similar to the plans with the exceptions of suspended fork and 700C wheel, which are minor variations.

Mostly a clone because I'm building it without the plans, just pretty much making it up as I go along by looking at the photos here.
LongRider has it there too.

Thanks go1000go, the building is going well, another 3 hours tonight.....

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1798.jpg (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/71cambiker71/media/Spirit%20build/DSC_1798.jpg.html)
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1799.jpg (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/71cambiker71/media/Spirit%20build/DSC_1799.jpg.html)
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1797.jpg (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/71cambiker71/media/Spirit%20build/DSC_1797.jpg.html)

Cambiker71
03-12-2017, 06:04 PM
Another few hours today, used a Subaru cambelt pulley for the tensioner :D

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1802.jpg

Found a piece of pvc pipe for the slack side of the chain

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1805.jpg

Shortened the seat to make it easier to put my feet down

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1804.jpg

And a few pics of the bottom bracket etc....

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1803.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1801.jpg

stormbird
03-12-2017, 07:20 PM
Hi there

Couple of observations.

Hard to see now but in the early pictures the ends of the cross tube between the frame and rear fork legs were open ?
They need capping off otherwise the tube will deform with the frame loads ?

The drive side of the chain does not need ' a tensioner ' I assume that wheel is there stop stop the chain hitting the frame ?
It will need to be very good with good bearings otherwise the chain will destroy it !

On the return side the tube will work however it will travel rearwards free itself from the cable ties and attempt to pass through the rear mech !
Make 2 holes in the tubing about 2-3" apart in line with the length of the tube and put a cable tie through these holes and fasten it to it's self then mount the tubing by passing another tie through the bracket and through the second cable tie you can leave this one slack to allow the tube to move vertically as long it cannot move 2 far rearwards.[ you can achieve this by using a length of bike chain hanging down where it will move up and down but not forwards or backwards ?]

Otherwise looking good , if you have never ridden a recumbent like this before [ SWB will be twitchy even if you have the geometry correct ] I can give some advise to help you .....

... and others will be along shortly who have built this model.

AtomicZombie
03-12-2017, 09:08 PM
So far, so good... thanks for posting.

Brad

Cambiker71
03-13-2017, 09:34 AM
Hi there

Couple of observations.

Hard to see now but in the early pictures the ends of the cross tube between the frame and rear fork legs were open ?
They need capping off otherwise the tube will deform with the frame loads ?

The drive side of the chain does not need ' a tensioner ' I assume that wheel is there stop stop the chain hitting the frame ?
It will need to be very good with good bearings otherwise the chain will destroy it !

On the return side the tube will work however it will travel rearwards free itself from the cable ties and attempt to pass through the rear mech !
Make 2 holes in the tubing about 2-3" apart in line with the length of the tube and put a cable tie through these holes and fasten it to it's self then mount the tubing by passing another tie through the bracket and through the second cable tie you can leave this one slack to allow the tube to move vertically as long it cannot move 2 far rearwards.[ you can achieve this by using a length of bike chain hanging down where it will move up and down but not forwards or backwards ?]

Otherwise looking good , if you have never ridden a recumbent like this before [ SWB will be twitchy even if you have the geometry correct ] I can give some advise to help you .....

... and others will be along shortly who have built this model.

Thanks for the info, yes I'll be capping off the ends, also going to add a couple of inner box section stiffeners near the inner welds too, easy to make and push inside then weld round. Will definitely use your method with the return pipe, oh and yes it's not a tensioner just a guide pulley to avoid the frame, originally it was a tensioner for a Subarus cambelt so the name sort of stuck ha ha

Cambiker71
03-13-2017, 09:35 AM
So far, so good... thanks for posting.

Brad

Thanks, no problem, enjoying being part of the builders community here :D

stormbird
03-13-2017, 09:41 AM
Thanks for the info, yes I'll be capping off the ends, also going to add a couple of inner box section stiffeners near the inner welds too, easy to make and push inside then weld round.

If you take an off-cut of tubing and slit 2 opposite corners down their longside with a little bit of grinding they will hammer into the piece you want to strengthen , I would drill 4 holes each end in the outer tubing about 8mm and plug weld it into place through them

Cambiker71
03-13-2017, 05:50 PM
If you take an off-cut of tubing and slit 2 opposite corners down their longside with a little bit of grinding they will hammer into the piece you want to strengthen , I would drill 4 holes each end in the outer tubing about 8mm and plug weld it into place through them

I just made a shallow square box that fitted snugly inside and pushed it down the tube about 1 1/2" before tack welding it in place :D

Didn't get a lot of time this evening, so I had a good bench/workshop cleanup then made the above boxes and welded it all in place, then added a few brackets for a rear carrier too....

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1813.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1812.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1811.jpg

stormbird
03-14-2017, 04:28 AM
It has a chain and pedals ?

you should have ridden it by now , in darkness , no brakes or gears ........ it IS the Zombie way :D

remember don't do this at home folks we are professionals ....

Cambiker71
03-14-2017, 10:42 AM
It has a chain and pedals ?

you should have ridden it by now , in darkness , no brakes or gears ........ it IS the Zombie way :D

remember don't do this at home folks we are professionals ....

That's exactly what I've done ha ha, no brakes made it hard to set off from standstill because I kept rolling backwards :D

Cambiker71
03-14-2017, 05:40 PM
Front brakes on, front derailleur on, let the test wobbling begin....:rolleyes4:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbsbu96PEF0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F74iGsLBjLA

darnthedog
03-14-2017, 09:51 PM
Thanks for sharing- Looking like your getting the hang of it in the second video

Cambiker71
03-15-2017, 10:51 AM
Yes, once I'd convinced myself to sit back and not hang on the bars it was a lot easier :D

stormbird
03-16-2017, 05:03 AM
Hard to tell from the video , however your seat may be a little to laid back ?

That will make it harder to set off and difficult at low speeds.

At low speeds it helps if you use the bars to pull yourself upright balance is a lot easier.


Couple of commercial English built SWB's :- the SpeedRoss similar to the one I owned


http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/dscf2578.jpg


http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/giskard_photo/DSC_0114.jpg


(http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/dscf2578.jpg)and the KingCycle


You can see the Ross has a much further laid back seat , also the handlebars may give you ideas ?

Thay are nice bikes to ride however ultimately fast and light is at the expense of the ride quality as you are sat over the back wheel on 100psi tyres (http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/dscf2578.jpg) on the SpeedRoss and with 100 psi 20" on the front it will not climb much more than 1/2" before you risk snake bites.

Also be careful you can get your knees on the wrong side of the handle bars ! that proves embarrassing when you are trying to look cool :laugh3:






















































(http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/dscf2578.jpg)

(http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/dscf2578.jpg)

Cambiker71
03-16-2017, 10:49 AM
So far I'm finding it about right for me, much less wobbling on last nights test run after replacing the front tyre for something more road orientated.

Last nights runs and slow speed to stop...]


https://youtu.be/RmW59wSHWz4


https://youtu.be/LS0byGhM170

bambuko
03-16-2017, 11:04 AM
You descendant of count Dracula? :)
Looking forward to daytime videos....

Cambiker71
03-16-2017, 04:19 PM
You descendant of count Dracula? :)
Looking forward to daytime videos....

Work keeps getting in the way of playtime :D

Hopefully this weekend will be a bit drier and i'll get out in the sunlight (If I don't turn to dust that is!)

Cambiker71
03-21-2017, 06:19 PM
Rubbish weather here means still no daytime pics :surprised:

But I have been busy making another seat.....

Cut out a bit of plywood in the shape of the seat then divide it into three parts...

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1829.jpg

turn it all over add some foam and cover it with some waterproof material....

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1830.jpg

And we have a flexible seat...

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1831.jpg

Screw the seat parts to a pre bent seat shaped piece of aluminium :D

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1832.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1833.jpg

Then fix it to the bike...

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1842.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1841.jpg

Head rest to make tomorrow in a similar way, then fit a new chain and rear derailleur cable and it's ready for some wobbly destruction testing

Cambiker71
03-25-2017, 04:50 PM
A few daytime pics...

Finished awaiting test runs and paint...

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1845.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1846.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1847.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1848.jpg


Went for some fairly wide tyres for comfort mostly 47-622 rear and 47-406 front (matching widths :D )


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1849.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1851.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1850.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1852.jpg


Lights and reflectors, still got a few others to play with but hopefully won't be using it in the dark too often


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1853.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1855.jpg

Cambiker71
04-09-2017, 05:22 PM
12 mile trip out today, I absolutely love it!!
Not difficult to ride at all, not found any problems, my happy comfortable speed appears to currently be around 12mph (I have had it up to a heady 19mph on the flat though :D)
LOTS of people said "look at that bike!!" or looked at me as if I'd just fallen out of the sky!
Plenty of people on normal bikes nodded or smiled at me too, I've spent a lot of today smiling, now just to build up my fitness and i'll be using it to commute the 8 miles to work occasionally.

Just needs painting now, some pics of our trip around Peterborough

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1938.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1939.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1940.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1942.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1943.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1944.jpg

Twinkle
04-10-2017, 06:25 AM
Nice - background isn't bad either

regards emma

darnthedog
04-10-2017, 01:39 PM
Looks great, and what a beautiful day and place to ride as well. Congrats on a great build. Bet you will build another before painting that one. Because you won't want to be without it while your painting it.:evilgrin:

Cambiker71
04-10-2017, 06:12 PM
Looks great, and what a beautiful day and place to ride as well. Congrats on a great build. Bet you will build another before painting that one. Because you won't want to be without it while your painting it.:evilgrin:

You're probably correct :thinking:

Cambiker71
04-10-2017, 06:18 PM
New handlebars tonight, and cables cos the originals were all now too short!!

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1952.jpg

Cambiker71
04-17-2017, 04:58 PM
All done, well until I find something else to change :D

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1988.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1990.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_1992.jpg

stormbird
04-17-2017, 06:08 PM
Very nice it looks to.

I would be very careful riding without some form of toe clips , even if you only buy some of these :-

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=plastic+toe+clips&tbs=vw:l,ss:44,p_ord:r&tbm=shop

http://www.wigglestatic.com/product-media/5360043683/zefal-toeclip-zoom.jpg?w=430&h=430&a=7
You don't need the straps with them , however you will find if you are free wheeling and it gets bumpy your feet can bounce off the pedals.

On a SWB with a high BB this is not to dangerous as your feet will just bounce off the floor unless you are unlucky or it goes into the spokes.

On other designs where the BB is much closer to the floor you can get ' wheel suck ' where your leg bends rearwards and the trike/bike runs over it...

That is very nasty and can result in some serious injuries.

Otherwise ......Ride it to death !!!

Cambiker71
04-17-2017, 06:16 PM
Very nice it looks to.

I would be very careful riding without some form of toe clips , even if you only buy some of these :-

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=plastic+toe+clips&tbs=vw:l,ss:44,p_ord:r&tbm=shop

http://www.wigglestatic.com/product-media/5360043683/zefal-toeclip-zoom.jpg?w=430&h=430&a=7
You don't need the straps with them , however you will find if you are free wheeling and it gets bumpy your feet can bounce off the pedals.

On a SWB with a high BB this is not to dangerous as your feet will just bounce off the floor unless you are unlucky or it goes into the spokes.

On other designs where the BB is much closer to the floor you can get ' wheel suck ' where your leg bends rearwards and the trike/bike runs over it...

That is very nasty and can result in some serious injuries.

Otherwise ......Ride it to death !!!

Thanks for the advice, I'll get a pair, not sure about clipping into pedal but those look fine.
I've read about the dreaded leg suck, not a good thing at all!

AtomicZombie
04-17-2017, 08:46 PM
Nicely built, thanks for sharing!

Brad

imamedik
04-17-2017, 11:33 PM
here is another option that you can make yourself
https://tadpolerider2.wordpress.com/tag/heel-slings-for-pedals/ (https://tadpolerider2.wordpress.com/tag/heel-slings-for-pedals/)

Cambiker71
04-18-2017, 03:04 AM
here is another option that you can make yourself
https://tadpolerider2.wordpress.com/tag/heel-slings-for-pedals/ (https://tadpolerider2.wordpress.com/tag/heel-slings-for-pedals/)

That looks like a good build for my trike too, thanks :D

Cambiker71
04-18-2017, 07:17 AM
Nicely built, thanks for sharing!

Brad

Thanks, no problem sharing, glad to keep this fantastic forum/website alive :D

Cambiker71
05-08-2017, 06:22 PM
The finishing touches, decals made and supplied by Twinkle :D

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_2138.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/Spirit%20build/DSC_2137.jpg

imamedik
05-08-2017, 07:44 PM
Nice bike, so what did you decide for your pedals

Cambiker71
05-09-2017, 09:56 AM
Nice bike, so what did you decide for your pedals
Ha ha I haven't yet!

Cambiker71
05-09-2017, 04:44 PM
So now I have bought a pair of toe clips with straps :D