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ggriffin924
09-04-2008, 09:12 PM
First self propelled test rides today,,, Yea!!!!! :D no more having to be pushed around like a wheel chair. I need to lengthen the chain by about 3 inches I think because it won't go on the big rings also, need to move the derailleur over more, which means a new derailleur support will need to be welded on.

New things that work or are complete:

Disc brake on left axle completed
Shifting gears in the back from 2nd to 7th gear. (need to adjust length of derailleur support
Things still left to do:

Prime and paint
Second Disc brake or front brake
Lengthen chain
Add idler for return chain path
Front derailleur install
Sew seat up, right now just temp rope webbing in place
Add a light so I can ride in my neighbor hood after dark.First few rides today without the brake on the bike, a little scary when you have to drag your feet to stop and your going down hill,,, its just kind of not possible, thankfully I did not have to stop and nothing fell off the bike. The rides were exciting enough that I was very motivated to get the brake on the bike, and after scratching my head for a mount for it, I came up with a piece of angle iron that I could bend and weld up for a mount. I picked the steepest hill near the house and tested the brake on it,,, it does really slow you down fast and if I grab it overly hard does lock up the wheel even at speed. I think it will stop even faster once I get the second disc brake mounted, but I'm kind of thinking I don't need it, and I can save it for another project and maybe just have a front wheel brake for a back up brake or a parking brake.

I rode the trike today, till the sun went down and then, kept riding staying near the house, it was so much fun, to turn sharp and also test out the brakes. I had a very hard time putting the bike away, its dark now and if I had lights on the thing I'd still be out riding. Took a few steep hills also and the wolf really fly's down the hills, it will even be faster when I get the big chain ring in the front working and can help it along. I also had several of the neighbors stop me, to ask questions,, I think with such a cool bike it might be hard to get a work out once it gets done and painted, well see.

-Griffin-

AtomicZombie
09-04-2008, 10:10 PM
Great! I just love those brakeless midnight speed runs!

Brad

Richie Rich
09-04-2008, 11:21 PM
...I also had several of the neighbors stop me, to ask questions,, I think with such a cool bike it might be hard to get a work out once it gets done and painted, well see.-Griffin-Welcome to the Wolf's Den, Griff.....As many of us have discovered, Brad's design is so damn cool, that you spend more time answering questions than riding...!!

But, there's no better feeling than to be able to say, "I built it myself".

Nice job...!!!

....Richie Rich....
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John Lewis
09-05-2008, 03:57 AM
Way to ggrif,

It's great when you get to take that first ride on a new machine.:D

I've decided to go with two disk brakes.

John Lewis

gbbwolf
09-05-2008, 10:59 AM
Yeah the wolf is pretty quick, get used to answering lots of questions.
My best way to get a workout, is to just ride at night less people at 9pm to 1 am lol.
Most bike lights really suck batterys quick.
Soon as I make some money I am going to use some 55 watt halogen foglights from walmart and maybe dual 12 volt powerwheels battery's.

Then I can ride more without sucking 3 bucks worth of batteries a night LOL.
Or maybe a solar type light setup.
Or figure out a low friction type generator to power the lights.

Still thinking on the light's.

For now I just stick to well lit streets and use some flashing led lights.
They work well enough for traffic to see me and batterys last for weeks.

Nelson

jimFPU
09-05-2008, 11:40 AM
Won't solar lights have trouble at night? LOL!

Locutus
09-05-2008, 01:47 PM
Maybe try adapting a high intensity LED hikers headlamp to your bike, or a bike version if you can find one. Many of these put out lots of light and can last over 90 hours on three AAA batteries. Longer if you use lithium.

Gerald_G
09-05-2008, 05:55 PM
On my upright, I have a single 7 LED flashlight mounted to the handlebar with a couple of small hose clamps. I ride at night quite a bit, and it is enough, but I'll add barely.

I'm thinking on a trike, take 2 or three of these, and cut off the bit for the AAA batteries, then wire them all back to a single box under the seat with 3 D cells. Run for a whole season on a set I imagine.

Some on back and sides with coloured lenses for safety might be good too. (plus a flasher or two on the rear)

Pagan Wizard
09-06-2008, 02:39 AM
I put one of these on my MTB for night time rides. It is VERY bright with all LED's on. It has a few different modes depending on how bright you want things.

http://cgi.ebay.com/53-LED-Bright-Bike-Bicycle-Light-Torch-Lamp-Flashlight_W0QQitemZ120300189177QQihZ002QQcategory Z22689QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

John Lewis
09-06-2008, 09:52 AM
Go here

http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/search.php

Do a search key words cree torch
category bicycles.net.au
forum The Shed
search previous 1 year

Probably a lot more if you look but this is the gist of it. The boys have been pretty happy with this solution. Kalgrm posted some pics on there somewhere to show how good they are. Seems a fairly cheap and decent solution. There's a tutorial there somewhere on making up a battery pack. By Pushy I think

John Lewis

ggriffin924
09-07-2008, 09:41 AM
A few more things done yesterday. Found out that even though I got a really good deal on the hydraulic brakes for the front and rear only the rear one had enough line to use, so I need to find a source for brake line that is long enough for me to use the front disc brake also Juicey's bleed kit is kind of pricey at the cheapest being $29, and the Avid Juicy Disc Brake Hose Kit which is $29 that's $60 bucks for just adding a foot of brake line. So lesson learned when you need brakes for a LWB recumbent go with mech disc brakes. For now I'm going to have just one disc brake on the bike, I noticed it does pull some to the right when you really mash the brake hard but its not enough to overcome the steering.

Added the return chain idler
Capped off the front derailer tube
Added 4 inches of chain
Shifts smoothly over all 7 gears in the rear now.
Raised the back of my seat up two inches, with conduit stubs (stronger) also more upright but still laid back enough to look really cool.Waiting to do the front derailleur looks like the one I salvaged off my donar is not going to work, its a top pull design I want one that pulls strait down. The plan for today is get stated on sewing that seat. :cool:




Things still left to do:
Prime and paint
Second Disc brake or front brake
Lengthen chain
Add idler for return chain path
Front derailleur install
Sew seat up, right now just temp rope webbing in place
Add a light so I can ride in my neighbor hood after dark.

ggriffin924
09-07-2008, 12:10 PM
I love the torch light, but for the price its a bit much for me, $300 bucks is a bit much maybe eventually I will have enough spare funds to put one on, but for now I think I'll go the cheaper route, I like the 53 LED light I saw on the other link, uses 3 AAA battery's I'm sure its not very powerful though.

Also the other note is where to put it, I like the idea of having it turn with the steering on the front, but I think for left and right turns, it will point at the ground due to the rake of the front fork.


I will be going with red flashers on the back also, those are cheap and batteries last a long time.

Go here.

http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/search.php

Do a search key words cree torch
category bicycles.net.au
forum The Shed
search previous 1 year
John Lewis

Pagan Wizard
09-07-2008, 03:28 PM
I love the torch light, but for the price its a bit much for me, $300 bucks is a bit much maybe eventually I will have enough spare funds to put one on, but for now I think I'll go the cheaper route, I like the 53 LED light I saw on the other link, uses 3 AAA battery's I'm sure its not very powerful though.


It is very bright with all 53 LED's lit up. In fact, I often do not use all 53 unless I am on an unlit road. I bought two of them just in case it wasn't bright enough, and gave the second one to my brother.

TheKid
09-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Sounds like a great looking Wolf, but where are the pics?

John Lewis
09-08-2008, 07:37 AM
I love the torch light, but for the price its a bit much for me, $300 bucks is a bit ......

I thought those DealsExtreme Cree lights varied from $25 to $40 or so. I thought Graeme said you could do a set up with lithiums and charger for under $100.

There are more expensive options. Ayups are apparently very good but super pricey.

The halogens are good but suck power.

John Lewis

ggriffin924
09-08-2008, 08:31 AM
My Delta Wolf Album (http://picasaweb.google.com/ggriffin924/Griffins_DeltaWolf)

Click on the link above for pictures. I need to take some pictures of the head lamp mount, I made this past weekend. Also a few minor things done yesterday. I spent most of my project time, working on a template to sew the seat and getting those things together. Hope to actually start sewing it tonight, its a simple design for the seat, so maybe finish the seat tonight I'm hoping. :cool:

Sounds like a great looking Wolf, but where are the pics?

locolarry
09-08-2008, 09:51 AM
GG924...
Great Pictures, Man!..You've been working hard and having lots of fun! Keep up the good work! What color will you paint it? I see that the pink fork went away....!;)
Loco

TheKid
09-08-2008, 02:45 PM
Looking good. Now comes all the little time consuming stuff that makes it "you".

John Lewis
09-08-2008, 10:33 PM
Great pics ggriff. It's coming along great. Looking forward to seeing it all painted and complete.

John Lewis

greenevegiebeast
09-09-2008, 12:20 AM
Kool ride griff, :D

ggriffin924
09-09-2008, 09:59 AM
I'm looking forward to "painted and complete" as well, and the color we picked is bright yellow with black for components etc, simple and visible.

Great pics ggriff. It's coming along great. Looking forward to seeing it all painted and complete.

John Lewis

The seat is looking good, and very comfortable from initial testing, the only problem is getting into and out of the seat the steering column is really in the way for an easy exit off of the bike, also the shift levers are in the way as well. I am going to move the shifters off, and go to indexed shifting later anyway, so that should help some. If all goes well I will have the bike all apart and clean up of the frame and prime and panting with happen this weekend. I will really miss my nightly rides after dark, waiting on the paint to dry, the head lamp is pretty nice.

ggriffin924
09-09-2008, 10:11 AM
Yes the pink fork had to go, also the white tires and pink rims, yuck. Yellow will be the color, with black accents. And it is fun working on, still though I really want to ride it, so kind of torn between wanting to fiddle with the project and also wanting to ride. While I was waiting on the bike seat to be sewn my roommate was working on the part. I pulled out the "Dog trailer" to work on how its going to attach to the wolf. After thinking about it, and looking online, I believe the easiest and most practical is the rod end with a tube solution, that lets the rod end bearing swivel 360 deg, and still offer a simple pin hook, unhook option.

http://forum.atomiczombie.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=258&stc=1&d=1220970974

GG924...
Great Pictures, Man!..You've been working hard and having lots of fun! Keep up the good work! What color will you paint it? I see that the pink fork went away....!;)
Loco

http://forum.atomiczombie.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=257&stc=1&d=1220970974

savarin
09-09-2008, 07:23 PM
The seat is looking good, and very comfortable from initial testing, the only problem is getting into and out of the seat the steering column is really in the way for an easy exit off of the bike,
Hinge the steering column at the bottom. Its what I did and makes getting in and out so easy.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s258/savarin48/recumbent/fs1.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s258/savarin48/recumbent/fs2.jpg

ggriffin924
09-10-2008, 08:11 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures of your steering solution.

I like the look of that, but it looks like when you are riding that the handle bars would move forward, if you pushed them while riding. Is there some sort of lock for while riding that I'm not seeing?

-Griffin-

trikeman
09-10-2008, 08:28 AM
Griffin - are you happy with that hitch? I have looked at that design several times on the net and thought about building one to pull a trailer similar to yours that I picked up at the thrift store last year. Unfortunately, my trailer came without a hitch attachment.

Thanks for posting the pics.

savarin
09-10-2008, 08:43 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures of your steering solution.

I like the look of that, but it looks like when you are riding that the handle bars would move forward, if you pushed them while riding. Is there some sort of lock for while riding that I'm not seeing?

-Griffin-

Nope!, I've never yet had to push on the bars whilst riding.
I just lay back and let my fingers gently rest over the bars.
The only time I do push forwards is when I want to get up quickly, then I jam the brakes on hard to come to a dead stop whilst placing both feet on the ground at the same time. I then use the impetus of this to stand up whilst pushing the bars upwards and out of the way. It looks quite athletic but isnt really as it just relies on the laws of motion.

Odd Man Out
09-10-2008, 12:08 PM
Nope!, I've never yet had to push on the bars whilst riding.

I second Savarin's remarks. I ride with the RANS "flip it" assembly that allows me to pivot the bars forward to get up on my DW. It is unnatural to push forward on the bars while riding. My hands also rest very lightly on the gripshifts. Most of the time I have at least one hand off the bars waving to people... You would have zero problems with this set up.

ggriffin924
09-10-2008, 02:16 PM
I don't recall pushing on my handle bars either while test riding, the mod looks pretty easy, and not very complex. I like simple and reliable when it comes to steering, the wolf is so responsive I would not have thought it would be, since the wheel base is so long, but somehow it is. I can only imagine a tadpole would be even more so, but I've not had the chance to try one out yet.

I noticed also the wolf was pretty stable and predictable even when forced up onto two wheels, it really wants to fall back down onto 3. I feel pretty safe so far, with the handling, I was wondering if anyone has managed to roll their wolf.

ggriffin924
09-10-2008, 02:28 PM
I have not tried this hitch yet on the trike, I plan on putting the rod end on the trailer tongue and not on the trike, just seems cleaner that way to me. The trailer weighs about 12 pounds and the dog around 65, she loves to ride and I'm sure testing will happen pretty fast, she already has been looking at the trike for a place for her to sit. With the trailer there won't be a problem.

Griffin - are you happy with that hitch? I have looked at that design several times on the net and thought about building one to pull a trailer similar to yours that I picked up at the thrift store last year. Unfortunately, my trailer came without a hitch attachment.

Thanks for posting the pics.

SirJoey
09-10-2008, 06:56 PM
Lookin' GOOD, Griff! Good pictorial, too!
Enjoyed that, thanx!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

savarin
09-10-2008, 07:58 PM
Hi Griffin,
I forgot to mention that the pics were not on a trike but my marauder clone (2 wheels)

ggriffin924
09-11-2008, 11:10 PM
The bike is all apart and primed for the most part, I have a few more pieces to do. What took awhile is I decided to do the hinge in the steering, now instead of waiting till I had everything painted. So got all that done, will have to wait to test it out for several days when the paint is dry and the trike is put back together. But it should make getting on and off the bike much easier, it does move through about 90deg of arc without hitting anything. Hopefully this weekend, I will have everything painted, and drying, then its just a long wait, till I can put it all back together.

-Griffin-

ggriffin924
09-15-2008, 01:21 PM
Well the painting was finished last night around 6PM, very hot day almost 90 deg, whats up with that, this time of year. I got the main frame finished and primed, sanded etc. Hung it up in a tree beside the shop, nice shade and away from everything.... Was all set up to paint had the can in hand when I saw my neighbor starting up his mower, good thing I didn't already have it coated, so I waited an hour till he was done, which is a good thing since it would have blown over on the wet paint. I'm guessing the paint has to cure for two day's before putting back together, but it would be nice to do that tonight since I really miss riding the trike.

I also downloaded the plans for the Street Fox,,, starting to look for identical head tubes and stems. :cool:

-Griffin-

TheKid
09-15-2008, 02:30 PM
You should have painted while he was mowing. Think of the one-of-a-kind paint job you'd have had! :D

ggriffin924
09-16-2008, 09:22 AM
I didn't think of that, I do like unique, but I think the trike really does that all by itself, without a dirt ridden paint job. 2nd day of paint drying so maybe I'll put some parts back on tonight, but I'm sure it won't be all put back together real quick. I scored an old rock hopper frame with trigger shifters, so I am going to try and use those, but not sure I can make them work with my hydraulic brake levers.

ggriffin924
09-17-2008, 09:12 AM
Finally able to test the new hinge system for the steering column last night, makes getting on and off the bike a non-issue,,, so easy now. The seat is still lower then my lawn chairs, but otherwise its perfect now, with nothing in the way for exit off the bike.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/ggriffin924/SNDjcrjX4AI/AAAAAAAAAgc/aAgzmv0Zq7I/s512/100_5033.JPG

Thanks for sharing this idea, I have to think about the cables etc, but I don't think it will be a problem, keeping them from getting pinched. I've not yet test driven the bike with the hinge but it does seem to not have any play in the steering from my static tests.

-Griffin-

theDude
09-20-2008, 11:49 PM
Hey Griffin. I'm really enjoying your build. How did you come up with the pattern for the webbing material for your seat? Did you just stretch it on and cut it until it looked right or did you go off of a pattern? I just finished a mesh seat using the recycledrecumbent.com plans and like it but I wish I could adjust the mesh tension.

ggriffin924
09-21-2008, 05:50 PM
Hey Griffin. I'm really enjoying your build. How did you come up with the pattern for the webbing material for your seat? Did you just stretch it on and cut it until it looked right or did you go off of a pattern? I just finished a mesh seat using the recycledrecumbent.com plans and like it but I wish I could adjust the mesh tension.

We kind of cheated for the seat pattern, we used the same method that we use when making armour for the SCA fighting. First I wrapped plastic wrap around the seat frame then went over that with duct tape. So at that point you have a seat, made out of duct tape, and the plastic just keeps it from sticking to the metal. You can then draw the lines you like with a sharpie marker where all the cuts are going to be. Once you have the lines drawn, you just use sissors to cut it off the frame. And use that for your pattern, comes out purfect every time. I think I still have the duct tape pattern lieing around the shop somewhere I can take a picture if you want, but its pretty much as I described it, only cost is plastic wrap and duct tape. On the edges we uses a nylon webing to make a nice edge at the top and bottom.

When we make armour, its a body part we are wraping in plastic, just have to add a bit of the sides to give some wiggle room and you have to more careful when cutting it off, womens armor is the most fun to make by this meathod for me.

-Griffin-

theDude
09-21-2008, 06:24 PM
Thanks Griffin, that's a good idea. I'll give it a shot. Did you hand sew it or use a machine? Monofilament or thread?

John Lewis
09-22-2008, 07:25 AM
I use similar seats to the one on Recycled Recumbent. Mine have a lumbar support. The design came from a long defunct website. I still have a copy of the site and if you like to PM me I 'd be happy to Email a copy.

However. The seat covering.

I use a rectangle of I think outdoor lawnchair material. I get it from the upholsters. I make it wide enough to go well round the back. I sew some seatbelt webbing in the side hems and punch for eyelets. At the bends in the seat rails I just make a cut from the edge to the seat rail. The cover is laced on with bungy cord in an X cross manner. It's a good idea to make a pocket at each end to sit over the rail ends. It stops the material riding up.

The last ones I didn't use webbing or eylets. I folded the hem twice to get 4 layers and double stitched it about 1" wide. I made a punch from a bit of 1" tube and cut half moons in the hem every few inches. Aluminium wire was threaded down the hem and it was laced with bungee in the usual way. The cover is still just a rectangle but where I have rounded ends on the wolf I shaped the end pockets accordingly.

When I hand sew I use dental floss. The upholsterer is a friend and also into bike building so he is happy to stitch them for me so I no longer hand sew.

John Lewis

ggriffin924
09-22-2008, 10:35 AM
Thanks Griffin, that's a good idea. I'll give it a shot. Did you hand sew it or use a machine? Monofilament or thread?

I would say I used a machine, but it was my room mate, a regular sewing machine sews it fine, also just regular polyester thread is what I used. We used the grommet kit from home depot, but you could probably get by without using grommets.

When you fold the webbing over to double it, there is enough there for the stitches to lock into to. On the ends I used some nylon webbing because I wanted a softer edge than with just the webbing doubled, when you bend it sharp its not that comfy on the edge. Also the webbing I used is just the pet guard mesh you can buy at home depot for $12 bucks enough for two or 3 seats.

I used this link for bending the seat frame from 3/4 inch EMT. And also the idea for the seat pattern.
http://www.ihpva.org/com/PracticalInnovations/seat_fabrication.htm

-Griffin-

greenevegiebeast
09-22-2008, 12:29 PM
Guys back in the day mey loving father,as a punishment made me reweve the lawn chairs. the lawn chair material was a woven plastic materail. when you ended the sides you just used a gromat through the materail folded into a point. that seemed to hold a 200lb man. though te weak link in the lwn chair was not theseat materal, it was the thin wall aluminum.

savarin
09-22-2008, 07:46 PM
The lawn chair mesh is usually a fibre glass type thread coated in plastic.
I folded the edges over twice so the raggy edge was inside the last fold giving three layers then sandwiched the fold between two lengths of glad bake silicon paper and ironed them flat with the hot iron (no steam) and done when she who must be obeyed was out.
This welded the layers together.
I then punched the grommets into those layers but only used braided blind cord to lace them up.
I tried the elastic shock cord first but found the braided cord cheaper and it did the job just as well.
However, I wrapped the mesh around the frame, this kept everything neat but as I've let many people try the machine they've fallen off enough to actually abrade the mesh away on the bends of the frame so next time I will use the nylon ties and sit the mesh inside the frame so I will only have to replace the worn ties.

Pagan Wizard
09-22-2008, 08:42 PM
Also the webbing I used is just the pet guard mesh you can buy at home depot for $12 bucks enough for two or 3 seats.

I used this link for bending the seat frame from 3/4 inch EMT. And also the idea for the seat pattern.
http://www.ihpva.org/com/PracticalInnovations/seat_fabrication.htm


If you are like me, calorically challenged, you might want to considder rigid conduit as opposed to EMT. Think of it as heavy duty EMT.

The lawn chair mesh is usually a fibre glass type thread coated in plastic.
I folded the edges over twice so the raggy edge was inside the last fold giving three layers then sandwiched the fold between two lengths of glad bake silicon paper and ironed them flat with the hot iron (no steam) and done when she who must be obeyed was out.
This welded the layers together.
I then punched the grommets into those layers but only used braided blind cord to lace them up.
I tried the elastic shock cord first but found the braided cord cheaper and it did the job just as well.
However, I wrapped the mesh around the frame, this kept everything neat but as I've let many people try the machine they've fallen off enough to actually abrade the mesh away on the bends of the frame so next time I will use the nylon ties and sit the mesh inside the frame so I will only have to replace the worn ties.

Got pics??

ggriffin924
09-23-2008, 09:23 AM
I went with 3/4 inch EMT when 1/2 would have probably been enough, the 3/4 has no flex at all for me, but that is somewhere around 200, I've had someone who is 230 sit on it, and check it also looks good with that for not flexing at all. Even at 3/4 it can be hard to get some of the tight bends into the tubing, I might need to go with the super long handle like Brad has for the next seat.

If you are like me, calorically challenged, you might want to considder rigid conduit as opposed to EMT. Think of it as heavy duty EMT.


I'm really happy with my seat its super comfortable and even has some lumbar support with the way I laced it up, I would like to add just a bit more in that area next build though. I think also I am going to loosen the bottom lacing so I sink into the seat some more, because on tight turns, I slide a bit to the sides, the trike really throws some G's to the sides when you turn tightly. And if I don't slide, I can turn even sharper, I can see myself wearing out the back tires with all the weaving and tight turns I've been doing on my test rides,,, its just too much fun to turn at speed on this thing.

-Griffin-

ggriffin924
09-23-2008, 09:35 AM
I really would like to be finished, but it will have to wait a few more days. Last night I got a cheap wired bike computer at Walmart for $10, I was afraid the wiz-bang wireless ones would'nt be able to pick up the speed sensor from all the way up at the front wheel or even from the back wheel, from what I've read they have to be installed pretty close to main unit, which can't happen on a recumbent. So with the wired one I bought, I did have to splice over a foot of cord to get it to reach all the way back to the rear wheel, and it does works pretty good.

Since I've put the front derailur on, I've found a new problem, the chain on the drive side hits the seat support when in the middle chain ring, and really rubs it when in the large chain ring. Instead of adding another idler, I am going to cut and weld on the seat frame to add the 1/2 inch of clearance it needs not as easy as the additional idler but better from a power and simplicity standpoint.

-Griffin-

savarin
09-23-2008, 11:16 PM
Since I've put the front derailur on, I've found a new problem, the chain on the drive side hits the seat support when in the middle chain ring, and really rubs it when in the large chain ring. Instead of adding another idler, I am going to cut and weld on the seat frame to add the 1/2 inch of clearance it needs not as easy as the additional idler but better from a power and simplicity standpoint.

-Griffin-
I've used that greasy feeling cheap plastic cutting boards as chain protectors/guides on my mirror grinding machine. They wear very well and dont add to the noise

ggriffin924
09-25-2008, 08:41 AM
I took the wolf out, for a 7 mile ride last night, yes I have lights on it. The problem with the chain clearance will have to be fixed, I'm going to tear into it tonight and make it better hopefully fix it. Even with the chain rubbing, I am very pleased with the gearing and also the speed and ease at which the Delta Wolf covers ground. On the slight down hills its easy to maintain 25 plus and up hill its down to as low as 5 mph, but super easy to pedal in the lowest gears. So I think having a trailer will not be to bad with my current setup for gear ratios.
-Griffin-

jimFPU
09-25-2008, 08:45 AM
Griffin, the only thing you may notice with a trailer is aerodynamic drag up around 20 and over. That's when I noticed the biggest difference on mine. I made better time without the trailer, but I doubt it had anything to do with weight or wheel drag, but more to do with 'wind shadow'. KWIM?

ggriffin924
09-26-2008, 09:47 AM
I need to do a bit more work on my trailers hitch and also the sides, but I like the concept of "Wind Shadow" :cool: I think that's what I give the trailer for a name.

Last night I got the seat support finished, I had to modify it so the chain when on the big chain ring up front would clear. Cutting and welding, and grinding, it doesn't look to bad. (pictures soon) Of course if I could have moved it back 2 inches it would have not needed to be modified at all. Since the Trike is all but finished now, I will have some time to get the trailer done.

Griffin, the only thing you may notice with a trailer is aerodynamic drag up around 20 and over. That's when I noticed the biggest difference on mine. I made better time without the trailer, but I doubt it had anything to do with weight or wheel drag, but more to do with 'wind shadow'. KWIM?

jimFPU
09-26-2008, 01:36 PM
I'll have to draw a picture of what I mean by wind shadow...it's about aerodynamics.

Naaa. Y'all are smart enough to figure it out...

ggriffin924
09-29-2008, 11:06 AM
Yes I can see where the airflow would be a problem at speed. At this point, I've just finished the flooring of the bike trailer and also finished the hitch. I need to take some pictures, the hitch really turned out good. I still have to put sides and a back on the trailer and also make the trailer floor have more traction. I used a plastic card table I cut up, for the floor so its slippery, but pretty light weight and strong.

-Griffin-

I'll have to draw a picture of what I mean by wind shadow...it's about aerodynamics.

Naaa. Y'all are smart enough to figure it out...

ggriffin924
10-05-2008, 09:21 PM
Just turned over 50 miles on the odometer on the Wolf today. Rode it in the Bike DC event 17 miles this past weekend in the rain, no mechanical problems. There was photographer from WABA who was shooting some video of the trike so maybe i'll see them online somewhere soon who knows. I put the trike up on two wheels and was riding it that way for the video and pictures, it might not be safe, but oh well. It was fun to show off the handling even when not on all three wheels. I've yet to roll the bike over, it seems to want to stop from flipping at about 1/2 and I'm not brave enough to test out my roll bar yet even with my helmet.

So at this point its just touch up and some upgrades are in the very near future. Also still working on the Dog trailer, but I'm calling the wolf done. We named the new Trike "Yellow Wolf" and will add the stickers soon, but for now its done, and it will be just upgrades to the shifters etc in the next few months, this has been a super fun project. Now I can begin working on the Street fox, I have the plans and a rear end, I want to build it with disc brakes so it will go slower till I get those. Thanks Brad for some really great plans, I have to say most fun I've had building and learning at the same time I've had.

-Griffin- :cool: :D :cool: