A new LodeRunner has begun to grow!

[JayRay]

Hi All,
Well I have been here for awhile reading just about every thread on the
site and finally decided on the LodeRunner. The plans are great! In between
reading all here I have begun gathering & fabricating parts. I purchased and
cut my square tubing. I bought a small AC welder and once my self taught
welding lessons are done I will begin assembly.
I did actually complete my wheel hubs and have attached
(I hope) a picture of them here
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheel%20Hubs/th_WheelHub-8.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheel%20Hubs/?action=view&current=WheelHub-8.jpg)
(click above to see picture)
Here is a link to a gallery showing kind of step by step photos of the
wheel hub creation. I was lucky to have access to a drill press.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheel%20Hubs/th_WheelHub-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheel%20Hubs/?albumview=grid)
(click above to see gallery)
That is all I have to show for now but will post more as I progress.
Jay

[SirJoey]

Nice work, Jay. The hub flanges look great!
I need to get busy on mine!


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[jimFPU]

Wow, nice work...I need to get a vice like that for my drill press.

[KoolKat]

Looking great, Jay. Keep it up! :elvis:

[theDude]

Those look great. I really need to stop procrastinating and get started on my Kyoto Cruiser. I originally planned to have it ready by the time it got cold but it looks like I'll be lucky if it's done by spring :)

[JayRay]

Thanks all for the compliments and encouragement.
I will post more as the build "SLOWLY" progresses.
Jay

[John Lewis]

Looks like it's coming along just fine.

I'll be watching your build with interest. Time to get into the welding practice.:)
If all your works as good it will be a great machine.

My bro. in law wants me to build him one but I've a couple of other projects first.

John Lewis

[Richie Rich]

Hi All...Here is a link to a gallery showing kind of step by step photos of the wheel hub creation. I was lucky to have access to a drill press.JayExcellent pictorial, Jay. Thanks for taking the time to create it and sharing it with us.

Here's a tip you may want to use for future flanges. When drilling the spoke holes, I use a "Center Bit". They have several advantages...

- They don't 'bend' or drift when drilling.
- They drill and chamfer the hole at the same time. No need to swap bits and drill them a second time.
- If you break a tip, there's an idential one on the other side. A 'two-fer'.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3098564720_8650aeb0c4_o.jpg

....Richie Rich...
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[JayRay]

Thanks John,
I need to learn by "welding, welding, welding" and then more welding.
I am working on it.

Thanks Richie,
For the tip about the "Center Bits".
They will be added to my Christmas list!
:xmas:

Okay, now for some more pictures.
(I keep reading how much you all like pictures,
I hope I don't make any one regret saying that! :rolleyes4: )

Here are some links to a few galleries showing
some of the parts and tools I have gathered so far.

DRIVETRAIN
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Drivetrain/th_FrontDrive-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Drivetrain/?albumview=grid)
PARTS
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Parts/th_Parts-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Parts/?albumview=grid)

TOOLS
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Tools/th_Tools-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Tools/?albumview=grid)

That is all for now but be warned....
There will be more!
Jay

[Trailblazzzzzer]

Thanks John,
I need to learn by "welding, welding, welding" and then more welding.
I am working on it.

Jay

Dont forget Grind Grind Grind.
You do have an angle grinder and 80 grit flap disk.

Davo

[JayRay]

Yes Davo,
You are so right.
Thanks to Home Depot, Harbor Freight
and my lack of welding skills I am fast
becoming an expert with the all powerful
angle grinder.

Bought for the build
(click to go to gallery)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Angle%20Grinder/th_AngleGrinder-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Angle%20Grinder/?albumview=grid)

I am running out of parts to prepare and fabricate.
Assembly will have to begin soon, I hope. :confused:
Jay

[SirJoey]

Looks like I'm gonna be crawling along behind you, Jay. Got the plans for this one a couple of weeks ago,
but so far, I've just been concentrating on sourcing & collecting parts for it. I think I finally have everything
I need, except for the monster freewheel, which should arrive within a week, thanx to Rad Brad & Kat!

I'm about ready to "break ground", but don't know how far I'll get before the weather knocks me out.
Right now, it's kinda hit or miss, weather-wise. At any rate, it's doubtful I'll be able to catch up with ya,
as you've got a good jump on me, & I'm slower than molasses in January anyway.

Anyway, let's build these puppies together, eh? You set the pace, keep the progress reports coming,
& I'll try to keep up, as best I can, weather permitting! Right now, I need the incentive! :)


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[JayRay]

Ah Sir Joey,
You have thrown down the gauntlet!
I will do what I can to keep making some
forward progress. I too am now a victim of
the weather and it seems like there is not
enough time to get anything done lately.
I know, I know - excuses, excuses - LOL LOL

I think I may have to count on you and your
previous building experience to keep me going.
I am a big fan of your other projects, especially
that wild electric ride you took recently.
Really nice work!

I will keep updating here as I ever so slowly progress...
Jay

[greenevegiebeast]

hay at least you have a dry enclosed area to work in me ive been exiled to the front porch. she who must be obeyed wont let me "play" in the house (no grinding, no welding, ect)


btw where are the pics of your work?:elf:

[SirJoey]

Well, here's my flanges...

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/1511/wheelflangessz5.jpg


http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/539/christxsigsmalloq2.jpg

[JayRay]

SirJoey,
Nice flanges!
I see you are going to keep the pressure
on me to keep making progress. With your
previous building experience you may overtake me!


Greenevegiebeast,
That dry enclosed area you see in my pictures is not really
available to me for working on any larger part of my project.
I can use it more for fabricating the smaller assemblies like the
wheel hubs, brake disc adapters, fork assemblies etc..

I have been able to layout the frame pieces I cut to help me get
a better idea of what will go where and how it will all fit together.
(Click below to see Pictures)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Frame/th_Layout-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Frame/?albumview=grid)

Other than that I too am exiled to the rear deck which is
now under an inch of snow.

I also have been able to get the rear box welded.
I will be assembling the frame in a different order than the plans
due to workplace restrictions. I hope to be able to get the axle
supports on and get the brakes and rear gears squared away soon.
I did get to do another layout session to figure out placement of
the drive and braking parts in the rear box frame.
(more pictures here)
Rear Box Welded
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Rear%20Box/th_RearBox-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Rear%20Box/?albumview=grid)

Rear Frame Layout
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Back%20End/th_BackEnd-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Back%20End/?albumview=grid)

I will keep updating here as I progress.
Jay

[SirJoey]

Dang, Jay, you are SMOKIN' on this puppy! I see you're using a bunch of squaring mags, the same way I do it. Kool!
Looks like you've decided on a longer cargo box, too. Same here. Made mine 4 inches longer, & 4 inches wider, both.
I think the extra width will help compensate for the slightly higher COG on this one too, in case I wanna take a corner NASCAR style! :laugh3:

I can't believe how far you've come, but don't rest on your laurels, cuz I'm pourin' on the coal, more than ever, now!
Got my freewheel from Brad & Kat today, so I now have every last part I need. (I think)

I've had several days of warm weather, & I've been out there workin' as long as I can possibly stand to, every day.
Not takin' many pics this time, just concentrating on the work, mainly. Will try to take a few the next time I work on it,
which may be a few days, cuz the warm snap ended today.

Your work looks great, man! :punk: You've got me fired up! Keep it up! :)


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[back2life]

It looks great keep up the good work and if you can build as great as you ba you have the lear jet of bents. HEHE

Its nice to know that I am not the only builder out there that is really into what we build. I havent even been able to build my first bent yet but I have gotten some of the equipment from my father passin away (know the tools belonged to him I had an even better time at welding) by the way I also took a welding class so I would have some idea on how to put my bent truck to gether..

Keep up the good work and keep us posted on you going ons.

[Radical Brad]

Great work, kep it comin'

Brad

[SirJoey]

Well Jay, after taking inventory again, I discovered that I'm still short on materials.
Still need plywood & angle iron for the cargo box, so I guess I'll be making another trip to town.

Unfortunately, since I no longer have my van, & no hitch on my car,
I'll have to have them cut the angle iron into small enough pieces to fit into my trunk. Bummer...

Supposed to be 43° tomorrow. A little chilly, but I'm gonna tough it out & try to get a bit more done, if I can.

Better keep movin, man, cuz this ol' dude is comin' on strong, stayin' long, talkin' loud, & drawin' a crowd! :punk:


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[Radical Brad]

Hey, same temp. as Thunder Bay!...... 43...... minus 43.
Which is better - frostbite or sweat?

When you are hot, you can use a fan and drink a cold one. When you are frozen, you are fubared.

Brad

[greenevegiebeast]

brad i have two words for you "SNOW BIRD".

We get them down here in texas alot.

:elf:

[SirJoey]

Which is better - frostbite or sweat?
When you are hot, you can use a fan and drink a cold one. When you are frozen, you are fubared.
Personally, I'll take the frostbite.

My view is just the opposite... when you're cold, you can wear more clothes or get moving to warm up.
When you're hot, you can only take off so many clothes... without getting arrested!

Even then, you're still hot if you live here!
We're talking outdoors, of course!

I'm no eskimo, & I sure don't wanna deal with the extreme cold of Canada,
but I can still take the cold better than I can take the heat!


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[greenevegiebeast]

Personally, I'll take the frostbite.

My view is just the opposite... when you're cold, you can wear more clothes or get moving to warm up.
When you're hot, you can only take off so many clothes... without getting arrested!

Even then, you're still hot if you live here!
We're talking outdoors, of course!

I'm no eskimo, & I sure don't wanna deal with the extreme cold of Canada,
but I can still take the cold better than I can take the heat!


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joey i agree but even then there comes a point when it is just to cold here in texas.

Example, its 40 out side with 15 to 20 mph wind out of the north wind chill 32 deg. I need to replace the water pump on the old nissan. I cant talk my self into it. im about to have to start , or ride with my mom and dad to round rock( 1.5 hours for a normal person 3 for dad)
so eather i freeze or i suffer in more ways than i can count.:(

[SirJoey]

Well, we've drifted :offtopic:, & hijacked Jay's thread. He's gonna come gunnin' for us now! :jester:

Jay, I hope you don't mind if I post my progress here in your thread,
since we're working on the same project at the same time.

Got my brake disc flanges finished yesterday, but didn't have the pics uploaded yet.
Made 'em round, & much smaller this time.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/847/brakediscflangesbt9.jpg

A bit more work, but I think they look a lot better than the larger, hex-shaped ones I made for the Kroozer:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9792/brakediscassemblieszr9.jpg


http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/539/christxsigsmalloq2.jpg

[macka]

Well Jay, after taking inventory again, I discovered that I'm still short on materials.
Still need plywood & angle iron for the cargo box, so I guess I'll be making another trip to town.

Unfortunately, since I no longer have my van, & no hitch on my car,
I'll have to have them cut the angle iron into small enough pieces to fit into my trunk. Bummer...

Supposed to be 43° tomorrow. A little chilly, but I'm gonna tough it out & try to get a bit more done, if I can.

Better keep movin, man, cuz this ol' dude is comin' on strong, stayin' long, talkin' loud, & drawin' a crowd! :punk:


Joey a trip to the town dump netted me 2 bed frames for the angle iron, and I am going to use pickup truck tailgate mesh for the box sides. I picked up 3 at the dump, that had missing clips but I don't need them.

[JayRay]

SirJoey,
This thread is about a LoadRunner being built,
Any LoadRunner so no hijacking has occurred.

Da Boys are a little disappointed that I will
not be sending them out to "Take care of tings"
but they will get over it. LOL LOL LOL :)

Please post away as you progress and anyone
else out there working on a LodeRunner join in
and post your progress here.

Your brake flanges came out great. I cut and
tapped mine but have not welded them to the
shaft collars yet.
(see gallery below)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brakes/th_Brakes-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brakes/?albumview=grid)

Are you mounting your brakes separate from your freewheel adapter?

I am making the rear box longer but I am keeping the width at 24".
Because of that I will be placing the middle axle bearing support
beam right above the rear axle. I will be mounting both of my brakes
out closer to the wheels separate from the freewheel adapter and
they will attach to a bracket on the beam above.
I am also working on making those brackets.
(see gallery below)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Bracket/th_BrakeBracket-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Bracket/?albumview=grid)

I will not be using a cargo box. I have a different idea
for the rear cargo area but that is a work in progress.

As far as having all of my parts together,
I realized I still need pedals. I think when
I get them I will have all i need? :rolleyes4:

It has been in the teens here so progress has ground to a halt.
At least on any larger part of the project. I will keep going on
all of the sub-assemblies as time permits.
Jay

[SirJoey]

Nice work on the brake flanges, Jay! They look nice & BEEFY! Of course, they'd HAVE to be, if you're gonna tap 'em.
You lucky dog, you got to cut yours out with a hole saw! I didn't have one the right size, so I had to make mine in true
Atomic Zombie style, hackin' 'em out of a plate & grindin' 'em round by hand!

Yeah, just like on the DW & KC both, I'm mounting my brake discs seperately, but haven't decided if I gonna mount 'em per the plans,
or move 'em, but I'm anxious to see how you do yours. The mounting brackets look great, BTW! Dang, you do some nice work, dude! :punk:

My work has ground to a halt as well. Was gonna tackle it again yesterday, but handling tools & cold steel at 40 degrees ended up being
just a bit more than I could deal with, so I wimped out after all. Looks like more of the same for today, too. Bummer...

Did manage to make the trip to town to buy angle iron for the cargo box, but they didn't have it in stock,
so I won't have it till after Chirstx. That's okay though, since I'm stalled anyway...

Like you, I've concentrated on fabbin' parts & sub-assemblies first this time, & things are really moving along.
On my last one, the Kroozer, I set a personal record for the slowest build yet, at 11 months!
This time around, I'm HOPING to do just the opposite, & set a new personal record for my FASTEST build.
It's lookin' pretty good so far, but the weather is gonna be the big determining factor.

My overall AVERAGE building time is 2 months, but I've already been working on this one nearly a month, so I dunno... :rolleyes:


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[Odd Man Out]

(see gallery below)
they will attach to a bracket on the beam above.
I am also working on making those brackets.
(see gallery below)
http://thumbnails11.imagebam.com/2166/e837d421650003.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/e837d421650003/)
Jay

I echo Sir J's praise -- your brake mounting tabs are a thing of beauty. I guess only a Zombie will see beauty when most others see only a strange piece of metal... :rolleyes4: Keep up the excellent work!!!

[macka]

I like the outboard and seperate idea. It makes good sense, it won't allow for that tiny amount of axle twist under hard braking.

[SirJoey]

I like the outboard and seperate idea. It makes good sense, it won't allow for that tiny amount of axle twist under hard braking. I just like it cuz it gives me more options of where & how to mount the calipers! :)


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[JayRay]

I Hope you are all enjoying this holiday season.
My best wishes to you and yours! :xmas:

Thank you Macka, Odd Man Out and Sir Joey
for your compliments on my part fabrication.

Because I modified the rear cargo box frame I will be mounting
my brakes calipers on a cross beam directly above the axle.
That is why I can mount the brakes out more toward the wheels.

I also thought it would be easier making 2 brake flanges and a
separate freewheel adapter. I did not think about axle torque
when I decided to place the brakes closer to the wheels. I
just thought it looked neater and would be easier to run the
cables.

Now about those brake flanges and freewheel adapter,
I did manage to make some progress yesterday.
I completed, except for paint, my disc brake
adapters. I made them oversize to start with to
allow for welding and grinding them until I got
them right. So now they are not as "beefy"
as before but still plenty of meat for the bolts.
(click below for pictures)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Flanges/th_BrakeFlange-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Flanges/?albumview=grid)
The pictures are of the second one,
it came out better than my first try.

I also put together my freewheel adapter.
(click below for pictures)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Freewheel/th_Freewheel-11.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Freewheel/?albumview=grid)
I might redo it though, it is a bit skewed.

Everything did fit nicely on the axle.
(click below for pictures)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Drive%20Axle/th_Axle-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Drive%20Axle/?albumview=grid)
that is all for now...
Jay

[SirJoey]

Outstanding work, Jay. Really nice! Love your method for fabbin' the freewheel adaptor.
I had forgotten that a BB has the same threads as a freewheel.
I just used my last freewheel adaptor for this thing, so next time, I'm gonna do it the "Jay way"! :cool:

Back when I first got into this hobby, I ordered 4 of 'em, but I used one on the DW,
2 on the KC, & the last one for this, so I'm fresh out, & I know I'll eventually
build another trike. After all, when this one's finished, I'll only have 6! :rolleyes4:

Actually, I really WILL build at least one more, cuz I bought the plans for the Gladiator over a year ago,
but since it's more of a "novelty/show piece", & Brad keeps crankin' out all these much more practical, "must have" rides,
I can't get caught up to the point of actually building the darn thing! When I FINALLY do though, that'll make 7, & 7 IS ENOUGH!!! :laugh3:

Hey, I know... since the name "Trikeman" is already taken, maybe I should change mine to "TrikeMAD", LOL! :jester:


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[newrider3]

Lookin' great!

Although, could you please consider switching to Photobucket? Every time I attempt to look at one of your pics that site tries to intrude into my computer or send me a virus.

[TheKid]

I posted that BB cup method a while back, with a disc adapter added to it. I've since revised using a hub flange for a freewheel/disc adapter, which is a revision of RR's version of a freewheel adapter. For the disc adapter, just weld a 3/16" thick disk the same size as the flange, then drill out every third spoke hole for the bolts. You could either thread the holes for the disc bolts, or use a small bolt and nylock nut to secure the disc. You could weld on shaft collars, or weld in a pipe and bolt it through the axle, as RR does.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z66/edpol_photos/Disc_FW%20Adapter%20_Hub/000_0517.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z66/edpol_photos/Disc_FW%20Adapter%20_Hub/100_0212Small.jpg

[Richie Rich]

Nice job, Jay....extremely heavy duty. :builder2:
Those will never break...!!

---<RR>---
.

[JayRay]

Hi all,

Sir Joey,
I am looking forward to completing and riding this LodeRunner,
my first build, before I even think about another one, or 6! :rolleyes4:

I most certainly did not figure that freewheel adapter out by myself.
I did what all good hackers do and searched the Atomic Zombie forums
and came up with this post by Sparky.

http://forum.atomiczombie.com/showthread.php?p=4458#post4458

TheKid,
I believe Sparky was working off your idea from your earlier post.

Newrider3,
I am sorry Imagebam has given you grief,
I will look into using Photobucket or another service.
Thanks for letting me know about the problem.

Richie Rich,
Thanks! I hope you are right and
they "Brake" but never "Break" :smartass2:

Hope to post more progress soon...
Jay

[TheKid]

TheKid,
I believe Sparky was working off your idea from your earlier post.


Yes he did, and it was the first working model, as far as I know. I came up with the other mod later. I also had drawings for disc hubs made from enlarged flanges ala Brad, and some conduit. The idea was for a quad with disc brakes all around, with the rears being mounted to the outside of the frame. That would give a uniform look to all the wheels. The rears would be welded on the axles, or keyed and held in place with nylock nuts. The fronts would be made with 1 1/4" emt to accept flange bearings for use with 1/2", 5/8", or 3/4" bolts for axles. All axles would be long enough to accept not only the nylock nut, but spinners that would screw on to cover the nylock nut.

[macka]

Lookin' great!

Although, could you please consider switching to Photobucket? Every time I attempt to look at one of your pics that site tries to intrude into my computer or send me a virus.

If you are using McAfee or Norton photobam will show up like that.

Jayray,

very nice work yet again. They aren't as beefy as the other ones, but they are still very beefy. I'm using diamond mesh on the bottom of the box, and the box sides are going to be interchangeable like a stake side truck.

[JayRay]

original post by Macka,http://forum.atomiczombie.com/showthread.php?p=16040#post16040
"They aren't as beefy as the other ones, but they are still very beefy."
AH Macka,
They are the other ones :1eye:
At least after I got done welding, grinding, welding and grinding again!
I am just happy I started out with plenty of room for error.

Now, funny you should mention a stake side truck.
I modified my rear box to be 2' x 3' to be more like
an old pickup truck. After talking about my build with
a co-worker he suggested wooden stake body sides.
I plan on a wooden deck and welding on side pockets
for the stake body sides to slip in. We are looking around
for some nice hardwood pallets to build the bed and sides
from. I attached a link to a photo of drawing I made on
graph paper. The lighting was bad but if you look closely
you can see the wood sides on the bed at the bottom
right of the page.
(click below to see plan)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Plan/th_Plans2.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Plan/?action=view&current=Plans2.jpg)

I am also using Stacked 2" x 2" tubes with 45's at both ends as
my bearing supports. I am going for the "stacked spring" look to
keep the old fashioned pickup truck look going.
(click below to see larger photo)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Back%20End/th_BackEnd-2.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Back%20End/?albumview=grid)
At least in my head that it what it looks like. :confused:

I think the boat seat I have fits in perfectly with the theme.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Parts/th_Seats.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Parts/?action=view&current=Seats.jpg)

Thanks also for letting my know about popular anti-virus programs
confusion with Imagebam. I am still considering Photobucket but I
am not sure I can post the thumbnails with the link to my galleries
like I can Imagebam.
Jay

[SirJoey]

It must be nice to have such a great place to work!
I hate u. :jester:


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[macka]

Jayray,

I salvaged 2 pick up truck mesh tailgates to use in lieu of the wood. It is lighter and strong, and I can adjust for a slightly oversize load. You could make some spare stakes and do the same. I am using bolts and fender washers to attach the strapping. I will make the initial hole with a hot nail to keep fraying to a minimum.

[JayRay]

Well SirJoey,
As I've said before
That dry enclosed area you see in my pictures is not really
available to me for working on any larger part of my project.
I can use it more for fabricating the smaller assemblies like the
wheel hubs, brake disc adapters, fork assemblies etc..

And even for that I have limited access.

It would be nice to have a place like you see in the pictures
available for even a couple of hours a day but it is not.

I do get to layout stuff to help me visualize things and get
pictures taken of completed work to show my progress.
When you can't get anything done, take pictures of what you have done!. :)
Hmmm, I think I will make that my signature here!

Macka,
Are you going to put a stake in each corner and
stretch the mesh between to form the sides?
I am interested in seeing how that looks.
thanks for the update...

Richie Rich,
I sent you an e-mail titled
"Question about LodeRunner?".
Awaiting your response...
Jay

[JayRay]

I made the second brake bracket to mount my
calipers from. It was a pain in the A&$ getting
it to match the first one. Well I have deemed
it close enough! Of course I have pictures...
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http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Bracket/th_BrakeBracket2-11.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Bracket/?albumview=grid)
It is not a lot of progress but progress it is.
Jay :builder2:

[SirJoey]

Nice work once again, Jay! Very pro!

Dude, you are a natural! :)


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[jimFPU]

Would you people stop raising the bar!!?

Very nice!

[SirJoey]

Would you people stop raising the bar!!? Hey, look at it this way, Jim. If it gets raised much higher,
we won't have to worry about getting over it anymore... we'll just go UNDER it, instead! :jester:

Hoping to get some more done on mine today. Right now, I'm still waiting for it to warm up out there.
Been making some serious progress of late, but haven't been taking any pics,
something I'll prolly regret when it's done, but maybe I'll shoot a couple today...


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[rickairmed]

Jay do you have a plasma cutter or are you hacking those brackets out by hand if your doing them by hand you have alot of work tied up just in them looking good .

Rick

[SirJoey]

Hit a big snag today. Turns out, the last of my freewheel adaptors wobbles so badly, it's totally unuseable. :(
That being said, I now have to fabricate one from scratch.

So Jay, with that BB cup being harder than a mother-in-laws heart,
how in this world did you get the 3/4" hole through it? I'm stuck... :confused:


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[macka]

Joey,

Do you have a buddy who has a drill press? It makes life easier if you have access to one. Some drill presses have arbors which will allow you to use fly cutters and such from milling machines. If not you get to play with the wonderful step drill and lots of coolant.

[SirJoey]

Joey,Do you have a buddy who has a drill press? It makes life easier if you have access to one. Some drill presses have arbors which will allow you to use fly cutters and such from milling machines. If not you get to play with the wonderful step drill and lots of coolant. Man, I really don't think I'm gonna be able to cut this thing with a step drill.
For that matter, even holding the thing tight enough without damaging the threads is gonna be a challenge!

Things were going so good, too.
I'm bummin' out... :(


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[theDude]

Things were going so good, too.

That's how hyou know something is about to go wrong. If something seems to go together too easily I know I must be doing something wrong. :)

[SirJoey]

That's how hyou know something is about to go wrong. If something seems to go together too easily I know I must be doing something wrong. :) Yep, exactly! You got that right!

Actually, things haven't been going good at all. It's just that I've gotten a lot done,
cuz I've really been pouring the hours into it (well over 100 so far), trying to take advantage of this warm weather while it lasts.
That's why I haven't been taking any pics this time. Don't wanna waste the time.
I'm trying to get as far as I can before the weather turns cold again!

The truth is, I've prolly had more problems on this build than on any I've ever attempted.
It's been constantly one thing after another, everything going wrong, constantly having to re-do things, you name it!
This freewheel adaptor mess is just the latest in a long line of screw-ups & setbacks!

In spite of my determination, ol' Murphy is DETERMINED to cost me
the rest of this warm weather opportunity to get anything accomplished! :mad:

Did shoot this today, though...

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[macka]

Joey do you have any bolt that would fit over the thread? Worst case scenario, you can use some softwood in a vise to pinch the threads and hold things still. The next thing to do is crack a Dr Pepper and fire that Murphy guy, he's a real PITA.

[SirJoey]

Joey do you have any bolt that would fit over the thread? Worst case scenario, you can use some softwood in a vise to pinch the threads and hold things still. The next thing to do is crack a Dr Pepper and fire that Murphy guy, he's a real PITA. No bolt, but the wood trick may work. I thought about that, but wasn't sure it would hold, if trying to drill it out.
I'd make me some soft jaws for my vice, but I don't have the aluminum.

Also considering grinding it out with my Dremel, but I'm afraid it won't run concentric with the axle when I'm done.

I'm anxious to hear how Jay did his.

Yeah, if Murphy doesn't quit buggin' me, I'm gonna put my boot in his rear! He's been right here harrassing me
nearly every single day since I started this project a month ago, & he's really starting to get on my nerves!
Normally, he just visits, but lately he seems to have taken up residence! He's a PITA, alright!


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[TheKid]

Or just screw it into a BB with the lockring in place. Go slow with the step drill with little pressure. Another option is to use a hub instead of a BB cup. The type with the skinny tube between the flanges like I used on the freewheel/disc adapter I posted earlier will work fine. I drilled that out to 3/4" with ease. Once it's drilled out, slide it on the axle and hold it in place with two shaft collars, then weld the shaft collar on the non threaded side to the flange. Or weld a 3/16" thick disc to the flange before welding the collar on, then drill out every third spoke hole like I did to make a combo freewheel/disc adapter.

[JayRay]

Sir joey,
I made that hole bigger by using a 3/4" grinding stone cone
from Home depot. I put it in my cordless drill, held the drill
steady between my thighs pointing forward with my left hand
and just ran the bearing cup up and down on the cone with
my right hand. Quite the funny position, damn near perverted,
but it worked. :rolleyes4: . It took some time and I kept test
fitting it on a 3/4" shoulder bolt but it worked. I just sat and
watched tv and ground away. It wore away some of the
stone so it is less than 3/4" now but still useful.

It does not have to be a perfectly concentric hole, just
big enough for the axle to fit through. The shaft collar
it is welded to is what holds it to the axle.

Oh, by the way, AWESOME PROGRESS :builder2: on your build!
You are leaving me in the dust. I am counting on you now to
get all of the bugs worked out to make my life easier! :rolleyes4:

Not a lot of time now, will be back later to go over all the
updates here and hopefully post more progress.
Jay

[SirJoey]

Well, in spite of Murphy stopping by once again & causing me multiple problems today,
I STILL managed to get some serious work done. The weather was a little cooler today,
but still tolerable, so I worked till my back gave out...

Jay, thanx for posting the pics of your freewheel adapter fabrication. The "Jay way" ended up working great!
Didn't have a 3/4" stone, nor the money to buy one, so I went with my original idea of a smaller stone in the Dremel.
About 45 minutes of quality time, & voila! 3/4" hole! Did my best to keep moving equally around the sides,
to retain concentricity, & it came out great! Sometimes I tend to overcomplicate these things in my mind,
due to my years as a machinist. I just have to remind myself that this isn't rocket surgery... :rolleyes4:

Anyway, once I had the hole ground out to 3/4, I proceeded to follow your lead.
It came out great! No wobble this time! Look familiar?...

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http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1756/freewheeladaptorconstrumm8.jpg

Of course, the new set-screw ended up being in a different spot,
so I had to remove the axle & drill another set-screw hole.

I also finished my wheels! Unfortunately, I had to use crappy, chromed steel rims this time,
cuz my budget's still reeling from the devastation of the hub motor purchase a couple of months ago,
so buying more alloy wheels was not an option this time around.

Anyway, in spite of Murphy's continuous harrassment, I actually got to the rolling chassis stage!!!
No pics... maybe tomorrow, but cold weather's returning, so I dunno...


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[rickairmed]

Joey looks like ya done good and rolling chassis yahooooooooooo . I dont understand this cold thing its 20* outside right now with the windchill but its currently 62* out here in the garage :D.


Rick

[macka]

nice work Joey, I'm still in the spin the wheels mode with relatives here all day til about 15 minutes ago, and tomorrow is New Years so that's shot all to HE double hockey sticks. I have a nice pile of parts building up, a workbench that needs assembly, a new fume hood sitting in the local HS metal shop waiting for pick up, and a honey do list from hades.

[JayRay]

Hi All,
HAPPY NEW YEAR! :sunny:

Rickairmed,
I am sorry I have not answered you sooner.
I did "hack" out those brake brackets with
my angle grinder and cut off wheel. Then
I ground them down with a grinding disk.
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SirJoey,
I am left speechless! That freewheel adapter does look familiar
but I think yours may see some use LONG before mine ever does.
Nice work and great progress. :builder2:

I like your brake and dérailleur attachment. I see you also put an
extra cross beam in above the axle and is that part of a cargo box
I see? I would love to see a picture of the frame upright.
It also looks like you are going electric.

I made a little progress on mine, very little.
As always I did attach photos.
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I hope to get the cross beam in above my axle and get the disc
brakes in place next then the rear bearing support and the dérailleur.
Then I could cut my axle and make some wheels!
That is it for now...
Jay

[SirJoey]

nice work Joey, I'm still in the spin the wheels mode with relatives here all day til about 15 minutes ago, and tomorrow is New Years so that's shot all to HE double hockey sticks. I have a nice pile of parts building up, a workbench that needs assembly, a new fume hood sitting in the local HS metal shop waiting for pick up, and a honey do list from hades. Thanx, Macka. Welcome to my world, at least for the next 4 days. Like you, today is New Year's day, so that's shot.
Supposed to rain tomorrow, strike 2. Then Saturday, I have to go to town, strike 3.
That brings me to no-work Sunday, & strike 4! Looks like I'm sidelined till at least Monday,
& by then it'll prolly be cold again... :(

When I started this one, I really didn't expect to finish it till Spring, figuring I'd chip away at it,
a little here & there during the occassional warm snap. Well, we've had so much warm weather lately,
that I've made incredible progress during the last month, so now I'm actually beginning to see a very
real possibility of FINISHING it, even if it ends up being too cold to ride it!

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[TheKid]

I have faith in you, Joey. You'll be done before February. BTW, have you received the package? I should have sent it return receipt.

[SirJoey]

SirJoey,
I am left speechless! Nice work and great progress.
I like your brake and dérailleur attachment. I see you also put an
extra cross beam in above the axle and is that part of a cargo box
I see? It also looks like you are going electric. Oops, sorry Jay. I was on the previous page & didn't see your latest post.

Thanx. Actually, that's part of what is gonna be the battery box, which is the reason for the extra cross-beam.
With the batt box just behind the seat, & the cargo box at the rear, they will share the support of the extra beam,
so yeah, obviously I'm going electric.

I've already dismantled the Bully. Because I got carried away with it, it was just too darn heavy to be practical
for this old man with a bad back, so I'm mounting the system on the trike. Sadly, I'll lose the versatility of using
a powered trailer with the Kroozer & my little Trixter trike, but due to my disabilities,
having to use a hydraulic jack to swap it back & forth was just nutz!

Your bearing supports look good. Nice, old-school, leaf-spring look! Very kool! And didn't you say you just learned to weld?
Man, if that's true, you're doing GREAT! I've been welding for over a year now,
& your welds look better than mine, but that's not really saying much. :laugh3:

BTW, what size did you make your cargo box frame? It looks really long. I made mine 28 x 28.

Lookin' good, dude. I'm starting a 4-day hiatus, so you can play "catch up" from now till Monday!


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[SirJoey]

I have faith in you, Joey. You'll be done before February. BTW, have you received the package? I should have sent it return receipt. Thanx Kid, but like the rest of us Zombies, I'm at the mercy of the weather.
Still, now that I'm actually seeing the proverbial "light at the end of the tunnel",
I'm really givin' it everything I've got this time!

Nope, no package. When did you ship?


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[greenevegiebeast]

I'm hoping to get started again very soon. I receved a mr. Heater propane heater that I'm hoping will warm my porch work area enough to work.

[TheKid]

I gave it to a buddy to send a while ago. I'll call and ask if he sent it. He didn't mention not sending it, so I just assumed he did.

[JayRay]

Hi All,
Just wanted to let you all know
that I am migrating all of my
pictures to PhotoBucket.

I started with my most recent posts
and I am working my way back.

This will eliminate the false anti virus
warnings and the adult ads that show
even though I designated "Family"
content on ImageBam.
Jay

[JayRay]

To All out there,
Thanks for your input, interest and compliments on our
ongoing LodeRunner builds! :builder2:
It makes the whole process more enjoyable reading
and posting here.

SirJoey,
I just did the same thing you did and blew right by your
post while I was editing my posts with my new photo
album links.

Thanks as always for the compliments on my painfully slow
build. I am happy with the look of my bearing supports.
They came out as I pictured them.

I made my rear box 36" long and stayed with the 24" width.
I wanted it to be rectangle to be similar to a small pickup
truck bed.

Now about welding "skills", first I sorta kinda only took a
picture of my best welds. Second you may have noticed
some cleanly ground areas around a "few" of my other
welds. That is because I had to redo them.

I also made a rather large error and had to cut off and
re-weld the bearing support with the holes in it on one
side. :( I noticed after I finished all of the welds, and
since it was the last one I did that day they were my
best, that I had put it on backwards. I offset the
mounting holes to put the bearings as far out to the
sides as I could. One had the holes to the outside and
the other had them to the inside. :rolleyes4:
It brought tears to my eyes to cut those welds. :sweatdrop:

More updates soon... I hope!
Jay

[rickairmed]

Jay I would say you have mastered the Grinder my freind those brake brackets look like they were done with a plasma cutter . I am quite impressed I am still plugging along on my Baby Streetfox and I actually have Fab tools you guys are making pro looking parts with basic hand tools very impressive :D. I will admit I havent got a plasma yet but it is on my list of tools to buy in the future.


Rick

[macka]

JayRay,

I have made enough grindings to build at least a dozen lode runners and 3 kyoto cruzers, its all part of the learning curve.

[SirJoey]

Jay I would say you have mastered the Grinder my freind those brake brackets look like they were done with a plasma cutter.I'm tellin' ya, he's a natural!
The dude's got mad skillz!

Heck, he's already teachin' this ol' timer new trix! :D


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[rickairmed]

Joey please change your avatatar back :D that one reminds me too much of the 20YO gamer squater in my basement LOL ooops I mean my oldest son :D.


Rick

[SirJoey]

...the 20YO gamer squater in my basement... Good one, LOL! :laugh3:

I don't have either of those, a basement OR a "gamer squater",
although I DO wish I had the BASEMENT, though! :laugh3:


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[rickairmed]

LOL Joey I have 5 kids ranging from 13 to 23 still living at home plus a 2 YO grandson and another grandson on the way if I didnt have a basement I would move out :D . I have 3 bedrooms upstairs and 3 downstairs in the basement and still 2 of the girls room together . I live in my 450SF garage I only go into the house to use the restroom , sleep and snag food it drives SWMBO nuts but it keeps me sane ROFLMAO. Ok Hijack over :D.


Rick

[pcorbett]

When it comes to avatars, Joey, you are the best and I enjoyed the one your useing the first day I saw it. I didn't want to spoil the fun, and rickairmed kinda let the cat out of the bag now, well..... It's weirding me out now. It's bad acid man, don't get me wrong or any thing like that but my pug has eyes like that and it's freaking him out and I'm getting those dreams back again............

They're just fine. Forget I said anything.
:oops:


Pete

BACK TO TOPIC

[SirJoey]

OK, u asked 4 it... :evilgrin:


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[rickairmed]

ROFLMAO ok thats perfect you actually found a picture of my basement gamer/squater :D.


Rick

[pcorbett]

:offtopic: I knew this would happen. You made my dog bark Joey. This is your best.

Pete :wacky:

[ljack]

Hi there! Just wanted to say thank you for this thread! I'm in the progress of putting together all the stuff and knowledge I need to build for my very own LodeRunner.
I'll start welding with my first welding lessons at the end of January, but thanks to all of you (and Lumo, of course), I've got a pretty good idea how to build my LodeRunner.
And JayRay, your pics are simply perfect!
I'll get back to you as soon as I start building! :-)

[SirJoey]

At least they cleaned up nice, & I love chrome anyway, but still....

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Don't know why I continue to have every kind of problem imaginable this time around,
but I could fill a book with 'em! Even the freewheel that Brad sent me tore up!
I fought with it for days, even filling it with oil till it was running out both sides, but to no avail.
It keeps locking up. Finally gave up & bought a crappy 5-speed one on e-Bay.


This is the THIRD fork I've had to make for it! (Don't even ask...) :rolleyes:

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Man, I just don't understand. It's been one thing after another with this thing, every single day that I work on it!
It's giving me so much grief, when it's finally finished, I may have to paint it red, & name it "Christine". :devil:

Oh well, IN SPITE OF Murphy, I STILL managed to get a little bit more done today, after a 4-day hiatus!


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[JayRay]

Ljack,
Welcome to the forum.
I am glad this thread may be helpful
to another builder of a LodeRunner!

Macka,
You are right, I am sure there is plenty of
"grind repairs" to come before I finish this thing.

Rickairmed and SirJoey,
Your compliments encourage me to continue.
Sorry you are being plagued by problems SirJoey .

Now as far as progress goes I have done some,
actually very little, work on my steering parts.
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I came very close to ruining my front fork also.
I won't know for sure until I clean up the
weld and see if all is OK.

SirJoey, :builder2:
On the other hand looks like you are ready
to pedal or just power up and ride away!
Nice going Joey. I would love to see more
pictures of your build.

Rickairmed,
Could you spare about 120 square feet of that garage for
the next two months? I think that is the only way I am
going to be able to get this thing rolling without waiting
for winter to be over!
Jay

[rickairmed]

Jay come on over I am sure I can make room in the garage although the rest of the house I cant make any promisses ( we may both be sleeping out here ) LOL . I live out here I only go to the darkside for the restroom,food and sleep :D.


Rick

[Radical Brad]

Joey..... how about "Apollo-7"!!

Brad

[SirJoey]

Joey..... how about "Apollo-7"!! Good one, LOL! I'm thinking more along the lines of Apollo 13,
where I'll be lucky to barely make it back home by the skin of my teeth on the thing!
I just hope the maiden voyage doesn't prompt me to name it Titanic, or worse yet, Challenger! :eek:

Just a FEW of the disasters/bloopers this time around, include:

weld parts in the wrong place,
weld the wrong parts together,
cut steer too short,
weld steer up crooked,
cut seat struts too short,
botch first 2 forks,
freewheel failure,
make new freewheel adapter, due to first one wobbling,
weld brake caliper support to interfere with previously welded controller mount,
build battery box too tall, causing seat strut interference,
wrong bolt-hole pattern in box lid,
4 solid hours of trial & error, trying to make ANY of my rear ders work,
cut front der cable & housing too short,
MULTIPLE problems fabbin' batt box,
...and PLENTY MORE!!!

Not to mention the fact that I seem to have lost what little welding ability I did have,
cuz my welds on this one look worse than ever! I guess I'm just jinxed this time! :eek:

It was nice to be able to drag it outside & work on it in the yard yesterday though,
but that may not happen again for awhile, as several more days of rain are in the forecast. :(

JayRay, I'm still a long way from "powering up & riding off".
I still have more (crappy) welding to do, seat strut & other issues to resolve, & much more.
Will try to snap a couple more shots next time I get to work on it, whenever that is.
BTW, I'm glad you switched to PhotoBucket. It works much better than the
service you were using before!


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[rickairmed]

Joey sounds like you need to take a break . I find when things are not going right I usually just need to walk away for a little bit and clear my head and go back fresh .I had to completely rework the BB and front frame on the Baby Fox due to the fact my Grandmonster was hitting his heels on the front crossmember and tierod . The little monster only has a 10" inseam and is only 28" tall overall so the pedals cant be to far away from the seat I think I have it now just have to sit him back down for another test ride thank goodness for jackstands. I can sit him there and pedal in place with no trouble its a little cold outside for a testride right now :D.



Rick

[savarin]

I'm a firm believer of walking away.
I used to own a 3 speed Chrysler that was always screwing up the second gear bearing.
I became a dab hand at removing the gearbox and replacing the bearing.
One time I just couldnot get the gearbox to mate, for some reason the splines just would not slide in with mucho cussing, banging, swinging, twisting etc.
So,went in for a cup of tea (well, I am English) and blow me down with a feather.Whilst I was drinking my tea that cussed gearbox just up and slipped into place. I never could work out how it just did it.
(cue twilight zone music)

[SirJoey]

Well, you guys are both right about walking away, & I've had to do that before, too,
but the heck of it is, this time anyway, it doesn't help! :eek:

Heck, yesterday was the first day I've touched it in 5 days, but it didn't matter.
It was just the same as nearly every other that day I've worked on it!

I didn't expect to hit a long streak of problems like this till I reached my 13th, not my 9th!
Just a streak of bad luck, I'm sure, & a long series of bloopers on my part too,
but it's really trying my patience, & I do sometimes wonder if this one isn't jinxed! :devil:


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[TheKid]

Finally gave up & bought a crappy 5-speed one on e-Bay.


I have a 5 speed on my DR, and love it. Since I was always planning to get a hub motor eventually, I kept it simple with a single front 34 tooth chain ring. The low gear is low enough to carry a 1.3 cu. ft. microwave up small hills, and I'm averaging about 14 mph in high gear on the short runs. The simplicity of having only 5 gears provides for an efficient system, since the chain has very little bend. And since I don't need speed for the DR because I built it mainly for running errands, a five speed transmission made more sense to me. The motor will be very helpful however, because I tire easily these days, and some of my errands are over 10 miles round trip.
Once I get going on level ground starting in 3rd, It gets to high gear pretty quickly, and I'm able to spin out at 80-90 rpm for a half mile or so. The old Schwinn 34-14 tooth 5 speed freewheel is great. (The two lowest gears have the teeth double spaced, which means they only have 17 and 14 teeth.) So far, it's the best item I got from my LBS.

BTW, so far it looks good to me Joey. Despite the setbacks, It looks like it will be one of your best once you do the fine finish work.

[John Lewis]

Sounds like it's time for a cofee or a beer and a bit of a breather. :mad:

Seriously though, its annoying when you get a bad run. How do I know? We won't go there.

I'm sure it will all work out in the end Joey and we'll see another masterpiece.

Ps Love the chrome wheels.

John Lewis

[TheKid]

Ps Love the chrome wheels.


I like chrome wheels too. The only drawback is when you use them with caliper brakes and they get wet. But that's not a problem on the AZ delta trikes. Even when chrome rims are used on the front wheel, you could use a rear wheel and screw a disc adapter on the freewheel threads, or use a drum hub.

[SirJoey]

BTW, so far it looks good to me Joey. Despite the setbacks, It looks like it will be one of your best once you do the fine finish work. Thanx, Kid. You DO make some good points, BTW. The 5-speed is simpler,
& has much less chain bend, but I was really wanting a close ratio 6 or 7 cog setup.
The one Brad & Kat gave me was a 7, but it tore up before I got to use it. :(
At least I'll still have the monstrously low gear, which is the MAIN thing I wanted anyway.




I'm sure it will all work out in the end Joey and we'll see another masterpiece.
Ps Love the chrome wheels.Thanx, John. I wouldn't say "masterpiece" though, as my welds suck even worse than usual, this time. :rolleyes:

Anyway, being something of a "chrome junkie", I really like the chrome wheels too,
but on my trikes, I'd still prefer some decent quality, much lighter, alloys!

Like TheKid said, chromies are terrible when used with caliper brakes,
ESPECIALLY when wet, but fortunately, that's a non-issue on our disc-brake trikes.
I used chromies on the Nexus, which has calipers, & the braking is so bad, I'd be better off to put my feet down! :eek:

I had to use donor bike chromies this time, due to budget restrictions, but still, I DO like the look!
(and they kinda/sorta match the rim on the hub motor, better than black alloys would anyway) :)


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[TheKid]

Thanx, Kid. You DO make some good points, BTW. The 5-speed is simpler,
& has much less chain bend, but I was really wanting a close ratio 6 or 7 cog setup.


What kind of freewheel did you end up with? Was it the Sun Tour? That one has a big jump between second and third. They made a six speed that was a bit better. And Shimano once made a six speed that was closer in ratio. The only ones I saw were being offered for 50-60 bucks, so I guess they're rare. I think I just got lucky with mine. It's 34-28-23-18-14. I like it better than the Shimano 7 speed, because the jump from first to second on that one is too much. (34-24) This one is similar to mine, except the 24 tooth cog isn't double spaced:

http://cgi.ebay.com/USED-VINTAGE-SHIMANO-333-5-SPEED-FREEWHEEL-14-28_W0QQitemZ350149207059QQcmdZViewItemQQssPageName ZRSS:B:SRCH:US:101

Here's a Shimano 6 speed I found on E-Bay: (A bit too pricey)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shimano-600EX-6-Speed-FreeWheel-Vintage-NIB-NOS_W0QQitemZ160285962031QQcategoryZ56197QQcmdZVie wItem

[SirJoey]

What kind of freewheel did you end up with? Was it the Sun Tour?

It's a Shimano UG. 14-17-21-26-32
$15 on e-Bay. Not bad, I guess, but I liked the one Brad sent better.
Too bad Murphy claimed it... :(

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At least the gearing is fairly evenly spaced.


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[TheKid]

I like it. Nice find. The spacing is quite nice. I don't know why they stopped making them like that. My 7 speed is 34-24-21-18-16-13-11. The 11 is nice for the high end, but I'd prefer something like 34-28-24-21-18-14-11. At least then if you don't need the 34 tooth, 28 is easier to start a heavy trike than 24. I find it harder on hills too, because sometimes the 34 is too low, and the 24 is too high. I like my 5 speed just the way it is. Once I get the hub motor, I plan on changing to a 28-11 5 speed that I found on a donor bike. With the motor, I won't need the super low gear at all. I'll just use the motor for assisting up hills or carrying heavy loads.

[SirJoey]

My 7 speed is 34-24-21-18-16-13-11. The 11 is nice for the high end, but I'd prefer something like 34-28-24-21-18-14-11. At least then if you don't need the 34 tooth, 28 is easier to start a heavy trike than 24. I find it harder on hills too, because sometimes the 34 is too low, and the 24 is too high. Yeah, I agree. I wish I had that 11 for high, since this thing has 20" wheels.
And yeah, the jump from 24 to 34, is too much. Like you, I think 28 & 34 would be a much better low gears combo.

If you had a 28 on there, in place of that 24, that thing would be PERFECT! You'd have the super-low tractor gear,
a nice high gear for 20" wheels with that 11, & nice, close-ratio gearing in between.

Still, it's a nice, extreme range freewheel, at any rate. LMK if you ever decide to part with it! :D


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[JayRay]

Hi All,
No progress to report but I wanted
to jump in on this gearing business.

I am using a 7 speed DE Shimano because that
is what I got free off of the broken bike wheel
my brother in-law had in his sun porch when
we visited him in Florida.
It is a 14-16-18-20-22-24-28
(click below for photo)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Gears/th_7-Speed.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Gears/?action=view&current=7-Speed.jpg)

The front crank set I bought. It is a
"Shimano Shimano M191 170mm 24/34 /42"

I also got 24" 48 spoke alloy rear wheels instead
of 20" because the price was too good to pass up.

I was also lucky enough to get a 21 speed shifter
and dérailleur setup off a bike my neighbor picked
up for scrap metal.

Now you guys have me wondering if these are
going to work OK together or if I will not be
able to get this beast moving. :rolleyes4:
Jay

[SirJoey]

Now you guys have me wondering if these are
going to work OK together or if I will not be
able to get this beast moving.I think you'll be fine, Jay. That's a nice freewheel. You're gonna have a seriously nice setup, there! :punk:

Got a break in the weather today, so I hit mine again. Took the wheels back off, did some more fabbin' & weldin'.
Got the sides of the boom/down tube joint ground. Think I have the basic frame finished.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8049/framejointgroundcq0.jpg

Amazingly, no visit from Murphy today. He must've had other obligations.

Weather's supposed to be nice again tomorrow, so I'll tackle it again after it warms up out there.


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[rickairmed]

Good te hear Joey glad your weather is behaving it is currently 26* here with a windchill I am sure in the teens but its still 60* out here in the shop so I am about to break out te sawzal and do some cutting :D.


Rick

[SirJoey]

...it is currently 26* here with a windchill I am sure in the teens but its still 60* out here in the shop...60 degrees in your shop, on a 26 degree day?
I hate u.... :jester:


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[rickairmed]

:D Joey my shop is attatched to the house and there is a little space heater out here .


Rick

[macka]

Joey the reason mr murphy didn't show today was because he was visiting me. That SOB decided to make an unexpected visit, and wreak havoc on my minivan. At least Mr Lincoln could help me fix the side door bracket. That was four hours of painstakingly removing the door, 15 minutes of prep, 5 minutes of welding, 5 minutes of clean up, 5 to prime, a coffee break 15 to paint, 35 under the halogen lamp, 10 to cool, and finally 2 hours to re hang the door. The cost for a new door from the recycler was 125 bucks, but the shipping to here was almost 200 and then the down time would have been no fun. Thank God I have a friend who is a mechanic for the local school bus company, otherwise I would have froze my fingers doing this. So now I am inside, just finished dinner, have a nice cup of red tea, and doing a quick visit.

[SirJoey]

Whoa, Macka. So you made a visit to bum city today, eh? :laugh3:

Well, at least you saved some bucks by fixing it AZ style, right?
Glad to hear you managed to get it all done in one day, anyway.
Sounds like quite an accomplishment, WTG!

BTW, where are you? Not really just minutes from the pole are you? :eek:


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[macka]

I'm in the huge metropolis of Terrace Bay and I work in Marathon. Look them up on google maps, its pretty darned close to the pole LOL at least it looks that way right now.

[rickairmed]

LOL Macka your just north of Greenhorn and he lives in the states you gotta go a little further north to get to the pole :D.I have a buddy on another site I belong to who lives in Lynn Lake Manitoba he's closer to the pole than you :D.


Rick

[macka]

LOL Macka your just north of Greenhorn and he lives in the states you gotta go a little further north to get to the pole :D.I have a buddy on another site I belong to who lives in Lynn Lake Manitoba he's closer to the pole than you :D.


Rick

I would post some pics, but I have to clear some of the old ones before I can do that. Lynn Lake, is north for sure, but I have been further north then that in the winter. I was in Coppermine NWT, which is now Kugluktuk Nunavut. Which is Inuk for friggin cold LOL.

[John Lewis]

Well depends which pole.

I'm closer to the South Pole than you. :jester:

Nice here today 75.2F 24C predicted max. Very high UV though. 8+

Glad I'm not up in the cold country. Don't know how I'd survive. I feel for you guys.

Glad you got that van sorted macka.

John Lewis

[newrider3]

Here you go Joey, they come in chrome too.
http://www.danscomp.com/422009.php?cat=PARTS
Just an FYI, if you have your rim brakes dialled in correctly, they should work better on a chrome rim than on a raw or painted rim.

[SirJoey]

Here you go Joey, they come in chrome too.
http://www.danscomp.com/422009.php?cat=PARTS
Just an FYI, if you have your rim brakes dialled in correctly, they should work better on a chrome rim than on a raw or painted rim.Yeah, those are nice, NR, but I've already built my wheels.
Besides, I had to use what I had on hand, due to budget restrictions.

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[savarin]

Well depends which pole.

I'm closer to the South Pole than you. :jester:

Nice here today 75.2F 24C predicted max. Very high UV though. 8+

Glad I'm not up in the cold country. Don't know how I'd survive. I feel for you guys.

Glad you got that van sorted macka.

John Lewis

Your a lot closer to the south pole than I am thats for sure.
The equator is only 1400 miles away, 89'F today and thankfully the humidity has dropped to 70% and a wonderful breeze is wafting through all the open windows. :sunny:
If your interested heres my daily ride, 4 laps of the strand
http://www.experiencetownsville.com.au/experience_the_strand.php
Very pleasant sights to be seen:innocent::sweatdrop:

[TheKid]

The problem with chromed steel wheels is when they get wet. Not so much on a lightweight bike, but on a heavy trike, water and caliper brakes don't mix.

[theDude]

It all depends on the pads. If you REALLY want some grab check out some trials pads. They grip 3 or 4 times better than the cheap-o ones. In fact, I can keep a wheel locked with one finger on my 20" mod trials.

[SirJoey]

It all depends on the pads. If you REALLY want some grab check out some trials pads. They grip 3 or 4 times better than the cheap-o ones. In fact, I can keep a wheel locked with one finger on my 20" mod trials.Wow, that'd be nice! I've NEVER been able to lock up a chrome wheel with calipers!
I'll bet they're expensive, huh? :greedy:

I don't know from experience, but I've heard "Kool Stops" are good, too.


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[TheKid]

I never tried trials pads, but I had top of the line Kool Stops on my quad, and they didn't stop it when the roads were wet until I switched to alloy rims. I bought the pads from my LBS, and the owner said they probably wouldn't stop the quad when they were wet. He was right. He's a great guy. When I went back for the alloy wheels, he gave me four from old bikes his customers traded in, along with a pile of old stuff he was going to throw out. The Schwinn 5 speed freewheel that's on my DR was in that pile. These are the Kool Stop pads I had on the quad: (All 4 wheels)

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/brakeshoes.html#mtndual

[JayRay]

Hi All,
I was about to weld on my brake caliper brackets and
I realized I had not put much thought into which way
to face the calipers for the best cable routing.

Is it better to have as straight a run as possible?

Or is it OK to follow the frame to "hide" the cables?

Is attaching the cables to the frame close to the
calipers important?

I have Avid BB7 calipers and will be hanging them directly
over the rear axle from a crossbeam in the rear box. The
calipers will be mounted out close to the tires and frame
sides. I can face the brakes so the "pull" is forward or to
the rear. I will be using fully shielded cables. The axle is
16" back from the front of the rear box.

If I face them forward the cables would run down the main
beam, be attached just at the front of the rear box then "Y"
out to each caliper with no other support.
(See Picture)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/th_Cables-1.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/?action=view&current=Cables-1.jpg)

If I face them toward the rear the cables could be attached
to the top of the crossbeam and then looped back to the
calipers. It would be a 180 bend with about a 3" diameter.
(See Picture)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/th_Cables-3.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/?action=view&current=Cables-3.jpg)

Either way I could also follow the frame sides.
(See Pictures)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/th_Cables-2.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/?action=view&current=Cables-2.jpg)http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/th_Cables-4.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Brake%20Cables/?action=view&current=Cables-4.jpg)

OK any one else have a headache yet?

Am I over thinking this? :rolleyes4:

Well it is snowing here so all I can do is think about it :mad:

If it would work OK I would like to use
#4 Rear Pull. It is the neatest way.

All opinions / thoughts are welcome!
Thanks...
Jay

[Radical Brad]

Plans A and B will certainly work. Plan C will also work if you can find long enough cables. Motorcycle throttle cables can be made and will work perfectly at that length.

Because dsc brakes are so efficient, you get some forgiveness in an overly long cable, and will most likely be able to lock the wheels even with plan C.

Brad

[SirJoey]

I'm casting my vote for "#2 Front Pull". :)


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[theDude]

If anybody want to try some trials pads, these are the ones I use. They don't last very long but boy do they grab.

http://www.trialsin.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_35_46&products_id=47

[TheKid]

They don't last very long but boy do they grab.



How long do they last? At that price, it may be cheaper to use disc brakes if you have to replace them often. If, on the other hand, you mean they don't last when you put them to heavy duty use, but under normal conditions they last for quite a while, then it's worth it not to make mods for disc brakes when using chrome wheels.

[theDude]

During the summer I try to ride my trials for about 30 to 45 minutes every day. Any more than that and my back complains for a week. The brakes are used about 90% of the time. I'm I'm lucky one set of pads will last for a month. Keep in mind that the top speed is never more than jogging speed. Unless you really need to stop quick you would be better off in the long run just converting to disc brakes.

[JayRay]

Thanks Radical Brad and SirJoey for your input on my brake cable setup.
I am going to hold off deciding which way to face the calipers until i get
my rear dérailleur in place since that will add another cable to the mix.
A co-worker is also campaigning for a single pull setup for both rear
brakes and he wants me to run some of the cable in the frame.
I like the idea but I do not want to over complicate things.
I also do not want to expose the inside of the frame to
moisture. I am near the ocean so salt is an issue.

I hope to be posting some more progress photos real soon!
I have actually gotten something done :builder2: but I have
not taken any pictures yet.
Jay

[Locutus]

I also do not want to expose the inside of the frame to
moisture. I am near the ocean so salt is an issue.


If you want to both run your cables inside the frame AND protect the frame from moisture, take the bare completed frame to a shop that does hot dip galvanizing. That's how they treat boat trailer frames around here (Puget Sound). I don't know how much that would cost. you'd probably have to leave the ends of the tubes uncapped to allow for the flow of the galvanizing liquid inside your frame. Maybe you could use plastic end caps after it's done. If you like you can paint over the galvanic coating.

[SirJoey]

Good to hear, Jay. Can't wait to see your latest!

Yeah, internal cable routing is nice, but like you said, salty air, hmmm...
Think I'd do like you, & play it safe. I'm not even doing the internal cables this time, myself.

Made some more good progress on mine yesterday, but I'm stalled again today, due to cold weather. :(

Oh well, it IS Winter, after all.


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[rickairmed]

Joey if it makes you feel any better we have already seen our high temp of the day at 37* it is currently 35* at 9:52 and falling still 58* in the garage though :D.


Rick

[savarin]

If you want to both run your cables inside the frame AND protect the frame from moisture, take the bare completed frame to a shop that does hot dip galvanizing. That's how they treat boat trailer frames around here (Puget Sound). I don't know how much that would cost. you'd probably have to leave the ends of the tubes uncapped to allow for the flow of the galvanizing liquid inside your frame. Maybe you could use plastic end caps after it's done. If you like you can paint over the galvanic coating.

If you go the galvanising route may I suggest a quick read here first.
Couple of things to be aware of.
http://www.mcnichols.com/products/productsupportfiles/finishdesc.htm
An extra 10% weight and if your going to paint it after.

[SirJoey]

...high temp of the day at 37*
...it is still 58* in the garage thoughU suk... :jester:


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[TheKid]

An alternative to galvanizing is a spray available to protect all frames from rusting on the inside. It's on the bottom of the page.

http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/frame/tubing/tubing.html

Another alternative - after welding the frame together, leave some of the ends open and pour in some rustoleum primer, then pour it out. For the ends, use plastic caps, as suggested earlier, or, make some caps out of a smaller size tubing with a welded cap the same size as the frame tubing, then insert and epoxy in place. After painting, you'd never know the difference. Now the frame is protected inside and out. After inserting the cable sheathing, seal the holes with the same putty plumbers and electricians use to seal pipes and conduit entering houses from the outside.

[greenevegiebeast]

U suk... :jester:


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the temp on the front porch befor heater, 40deg the temp after heater warmed up 65 deg.:sunny:

[rickairmed]

Currently 18* outside windchill 7* inside the garage still 58* :D:D:D.


Rick

[greenevegiebeast]

I wish I had a garage!!!!:(:(

[rickairmed]

GVB remember I live out here most of the year so I have to keep it semi comfy . I could sleep out here if I had to but so far she still lets me inside to sleep ;) . I saw you over at SFT theres all kinds of fun stuff over there to get you into trouble :D.


Rick

[greenevegiebeast]

aperently they know im a trouble maker they wont let me reply or post??

[rickairmed]

I've been over there since day one let me get Madam and Cutter working on it for you :D.


Rick

[moejosteve]

GVB remember I live out here most of the year so I have to keep it semi comfy . I could sleep out here if I had to but so far she still lets me inside to sleep ;) . I saw you over at SFT theres all kinds of fun stuff over there to get you into trouble :D.


Rick

SFT is a kick axx site. I followed you there from one of your other posts and spent too much time there (read:didn't sleep that night). In fact, I'm inspired to buy a table top lathe as my next bix shop expense... Just gotta figure out what to sell to fund it. That's the deal in my house; if I want to expand the evil empire in the shop, I have to come up with the funds outside of the household budget. I just sold some old race car stuff to fund the SF project and just about have all the parts, and a few spare odd for the next one!

[greenevegiebeast]

Hay moe Im looking to subdsize my adictive hobby my self. Im about to start selling used bikes.
I live in a college town with alot of forgn students. there are alot of apt with abandoned bikes. Im wrighting up a contract to pick up the derelict bikes use some for my projects and refurbish the other and sell them.

I figure its win win.

Espacaly when I found out that they are halling them off them selfs and giving them to the lbs, who m turn around and eather dump them or do the same thing.

[moejosteve]

There's a joke in there somewhere about Aggies and bike riding... I spent 8 years in Austin and used to race sports cars out at TWS. Spent many nights at the Manor House over by Shipley's eating wings...

I have considered the reseller deal myself, and can't find anyone in my city that knows anything about abandoned or stolen bikes... I might have to go back to the auction circuit and ebay my way to riches...:punk:

[rickairmed]

SFT is a kick axx site. I followed you there from one of your other posts and spent too much time there (read:didn't sleep that night). In fact, I'm inspired to buy a table top lathe as my next bix shop expense... Just gotta figure out what to sell to fund it. That's the deal in my house; if I want to expand the evil empire in the shop, I have to come up with the funds outside of the household budget. I just sold some old race car stuff to fund the SF project and just about have all the parts, and a few spare odd for the next one!


Steve I probably shouldnt tell you theres probably six months worth of nightly reading over there you probably havent even stumbled onto yet :D. I have been a member there almost since day 1 so I have read it over time as it was posted :D.Our deal between SWMBO and I is if I get a toy she gets a toy and vice versa :D money allowing of course . My next toy will be a plasma cutter then I will work on the table:D.


Rick

[SirJoey]

the temp on the front porch befor heater, 40deg the temp after heater warmed up 65 deg.

Currently 18* outside windchill 7* inside the garage still 58*. Yeah, that's right... keep it up, guys...
but when my parents :alien: :alien: return, you'll both be sorry!


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[rickairmed]

Joey if it makes you feel better somebody turned my heater off last night I just got up and its 50* in here and I have to go out there where its 20* and feels like 7* brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .


Rick

[macka]

wahwah pumpkin it was -47 with windchill yesterday.

JayRay,

Go with a straight pull, it will give you more stopping power. I would route the cables inside the frame. I was thinking that you could clean and paint the inner walls before welding, and then after you weld you could pour some paint down the cable holes and get most of the spots where you welded by turning the tubes. Then run your cables.

[SirJoey]

It's a nightmare, trying to paint all these nooks & crannies...

...especially the crannies! :rolleyes4:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6159/nookscranniesca9.jpg

It's like painting a pile of spaghetti, & trying to get every noodle completely covered,
without bumping any of the previously painted noodles! :jester:


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[rickairmed]

Paint from the center out grasshopper :D.


Rick

[SirJoey]

Paint from the center out grasshopperBelieve me, I tried!
It's easier said than done! :rolleyes4:

Seriously, this is the hardest thing to paint I've ever seen! :eek:

Maybe I need to weld on a few more tabs, & brackets, & braces, & arms, & nuts, & gussets, & angles, &.......


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[greenevegiebeast]

joey now you know why some companys powder coat. They get better coverage. ahd its easer to do in mass.

[moejosteve]

joey now you know why some companys powder coat. They get better coverage. ahd its easer to do in mass.

true, but the Sir lives in SC... SPRAY-AWAY MY BROTHER!!!:punk:

[SirJoey]

Well said, guys! :)

Man, I wish I had access to, & money for a powder-coat job!
That would REALLY be sha-weet! :punk:

...but then, don't we all? :D

Don't think it would be possible in a case like this though,
with the non-removeable steering headset.


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[Radical Brad]

Wow, you have come far on the LR. What goes in the under the box holder?

Brad

[rickairmed]

Wow, you have come far on the LR. What goes in the under the box holder?

Brad



Batteries lotsa batteries :D:D:D.


Rick

[John Lewis]

hey joey,

Thats an intricate lot of bits you've welded up there.

Its looking good. See you're setting up the battery box and all to be low down. Good thinking. Nice low C of G to help cornering. :)

You are sure making progress man. Time I started another.

Can't help with ideas for easy painting. Guess you just have to do a bit at a time and wait for it to dry.

John Lewis

[JayRay]

Hi All,
Well thanks to the weather here I have
made "ZERO" progress on my build. :(

SirJoey,
I can only wish I had your painting problems at this time!
The rear box looks great. You sure have welded up a whole
bunch of stuff back there. I am anxiously awaiting some
pictures of the whole frame upright.

To Macka, TheKid, Savarin, Locutus, Radical Brad, SirJoey
and any one else I may have missed...
Thank you for the thoughts, information, ideas, etc... on my
brake cable setup and the protecting of my frame from the
elements. I have already welded the rear box together and a
few other parts to it so those tubes are sealed but you have
all given me plenty to think about. With the weather being
what it is here right now all I can do is think, rethink and
think some more about it! :rolleyes4:

I hope to post some progress soon...
Jay

[SirJoey]

Well thanks to the weather here I have
made "ZERO" progress on my build.I feel for ya' on the weather, Jay. So far,
I've been pretty lucky, off & on, in that respect, anyway.




I am anxiously awaiting some
pictures of the whole frame upright.Here ya' go...

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3261/frameprimeredat4.jpg

The front end is in the next county! :jester:


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[JayRay]

SirJoey,
Great looking LodeRunner you got there! :builder2:

Thanks for the upright picture of your frame.
I really like the suspended storage under the rear box!
What are you planning to use it for, a storage box perhaps?
I am assuming the upper box will be for batteries but maybe
you will be putting them down under and using the top box
for storage?
Let me know your plans.

I may "borrow" that idea from you as I will have 20"
behind the rear axle and ~ 17" of ground clearance.

I see you have also added your now trademark eye
bolts and hitch doohickey to the rear of the box.
Planning a canopy are you?

I will be adding some style of hitch to mine also.
I am still hoping to get something done this month!
Jay

[rickairmed]

Ok Joey just to make you feel better it was 40* in the garage this morning when I got up granted it was -1*F outside with a feels like of -13*F . Right now the actual temp outside is 3*F and 44* F out here in the garage . I will fix the cold and hot in the garage this summer when I put a mini split heat pump system out here :D and insulate the garage door then it will be 72* year round :D:D.


Rick

[rickairmed]

The new ride is looking great by the way wont be long now looks like only thing left is paint and then assembly:D.


Rick

[SirJoey]

Well Rick, 44* is still warmer than it is in MY shop right now!
It's presently 24* out there, & only expected to reach a high of 35* today! :(
Supposed to be more of the same for the next few days, too, so obviously, I'm stalled again.

In fact, it doesn't look like there's gonna be any more tolerable
working weather till about the middle of next week!

Yeah, rub it in... don't make me come up there! :mad:
;) ...oh, & thanx, BTW!


JayRay, thanx, & I'm sorry, but that's classified.
I could tell you, but then I'd have to...
well, you know, & it's a long way to Jersey! :devil:


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[rickairmed]

Joey you need to put a heater out there in the shop :D. I like the radiant style oil filled ones myself that look like the old steam or hot water radiators . I heated my whole house with 2 of them till the wimps moved back up here from Fl. I would bet a couple of them in the bus would make alot of differance .


Rick

[TheKid]

16° here, -3 with wind chill. Took the wind chill factor out with a denim bib coverall to keep the wind from going under the hoodie and shirt, ski mask, and goggles, and thin cotton work gloves. I ran a few errands, wearing a down vest over the hoodie, and used a piece of plastic pipe to breath through so the goggles wouldn't fog up. I returned home sweating like a pig, after a round trip of less than a mile. If it weren't for the snow on the ground, I'd be out welding the frame for my towable shopping cart.
Nice work Joey. After seeing your LR, maybe I'll add to the DR to make it more of a utility trike. I'm already planning on changing the wheels to 20" to make it a bit lower and allowing for a narrower fairing up front.

[SirJoey]

...you need to put a heater out there in the shopWell, you're right, Rick, that would be nice, but that's an extravagance that just
doesn't fit into my meager budget. Besides, I'm basically pretty patient by nature,
so I can wait for the occassional warm days to get my work done,
even if it means waiting all the way till Spring!



16° here, -3 with wind chill... I ran a few errands... a round trip of less than a mile.
If it weren't for the snow on the ground, I'd be out welding the frame for my towable shopping cart.
Nice work Joey.Thanx, Kid. Man, you're out there at 16*, & I'm wimpin' out at twice that!
You're a better man than I, my brother! :punk:

...and I'm an ol' ex-Hoosier, no less! Can you believe THAT? :eek:


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[choppersrule]

hi all I NEED COLD WEATHER give me give me its 32c here :sunny: ( 90f ) but we got a break we had rain for a week and it was 25c ( 77f ) :punk: we rock but its getting back to sommer weather here soon rain is almost gone:( i will start my new project soon. i could tell ya but u no i would have to......:devil:
mark :scooter:

[rickairmed]

Well shoot Joey theres the Problem everybody in Kentucky knows Hoosiers have thin blood :D:D;). I will tell you though I live in Ky but I am a Floridiot :D I grew up in Fla only been up here 14 years but I do like the change in seasons we have 3 or 4 here as compared o Fla that has 2 hot or hot and wet :D.


Rick

[TheKid]

Thanx, Kid. Man, you're out there at 16*, & I'm wimpin' out at twice that!
You're a better man than I, my brother!

I'm used to it. I worked outdoors for thirty years, plus hunting and skiing in upstate NY during some cold winters. However, the cold weather now causes pain from Mr. Itis if I stay out too long.
I still can't get used to the heat. Over 80° and I'm hosing myself off every 15 or 20 minutes.

[moejosteve]

Funny! I'm originally from IL always knew that those Hoosiers have thin blood... I didn't know that was universal.

I keep mooving south, but el-wifo no quiera the hot weather. We lived in Austin for many years and my A/C was muerto in the old truck for 5 years. That was fine by me; gave me a chance to thin out! Hate the cold, love the heat. I might be part iguana...

[ljack]

I'm used to it. I worked outdoors for thirty years, plus hunting and skiing in upstate NY during some cold winters.
Yep, you definitely get used to it.
Over here in Vienna/Austria we had around 18°F the last weeks. I always ride the 5km to work with shirt, sweater, windbreaker, shorts and snowboard gloves. If it's very windy I put on some shinguards, as I don't want my knees to suffer.
As you said, you get used to it. :punk:

[SirJoey]

...but I do like the change in seasons we have 3 or 4 here as compared o Fla that has 2 hot or hot and wetWe have 3, here in SC.

Cool - AKA Winter,
hot - AKA Spring & Fall,
& hotter - AKA Summer.

Actually, I find Winter here to be the most
tolerable time of the year! I can handle the
cold, much better than the heat!


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[savarin]

We have 3, here in SC.

Cool - AKA Winter,
hot - AKA Spring & Fall,
& hotter - AKA Summer.

Actually, I find Winter here to be the most
tolerable time of the year! I can handle the
cold, much better than the heat!


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sounds like the weather down here.
We get 4 seasons every year
very hot and sunny,
hot and sunny
hot and cloudy
hot and wet

Were in hot and wet at the moment.:sweatdrop:

[macka]

up here its mosquito season, construction and winter

[macka]

Joey,

is that an ammo box on the front of the box frame?

[SirJoey]

...is that an ammo box on the front of the box frame?I'm presently stocking up on howitzer shells...


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[greenevegiebeast]

hay now joey, you are not fighting with the nabors again, what did we tell you about feuding. thay are nothing but wepons races.

and it sounds like you have already escalated it.:devil:

[macka]

Joey,

We had those in our iltis's (army jeeps) to keep our pop cold.iltis (http://www.iltis.ca/images/cust_img/14823/iltic/iltic_385x261.jpg)

[JayRay]

Hi All,
I made a little progress.
Very Little, but progress none the less.
I got my cross beam and axle support
welded into the rear box.
(click below for photos)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Assembly/th_Assembly-8.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Assembly/?albumview=grid)

I also got a little work done
on my steering components
(click below for photos)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Steering/th_PilotSteer-5.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Steering/?albumview=grid)

It has been frustrating :(
but at least something got done.

So, SirJoey, are you riding yours yet?
Jay

[SirJoey]

So, SirJoey, are you riding yours yet?Oh, that's funny, Jay! A wise guy, huh? :jester:

No, right now I'm stalled, like (mostly) everyone else, due to weather.
Supposed to get some more fairly decent days during the next week,
starting today, so I'm hoping to get a bit more done.

Believe me, when I get it together, I'll have it posted here before the dust settles! :)

Nice work on yours, though. Especially on your tube-mating of the steering assembly.



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[macka]

As soon as my workshop gets a bit more space I am digging in. I have a skidoo in my way atm but it should be fixed today if the plate gets bent at the school.

[SirJoey]

Amazingly, the tons o' snow from that blizzard the other day,
melted away, so here's where I'm at right now, Jay...

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2360/steermountedxd5.jpg

You know what this means, right? :D

Yeah, that's right, it means I forgot to put the crown nut on! :rolleyes4:


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[macka]

Joey,

I thought you were the crown nut :jester:

[SirJoey]

Joey,
I thought you were the crown nut :jester:Point taken! :D


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[rickairmed]

Lookin good Joey its gonna get up in the 50's tomorrow I may have to open the ***age door and let the joint air out a little before we drop back into the 20's-30's.

Rick

[greenevegiebeast]

Lookin good Joey its gonna get up in the 50's tomorrow I may have to open the ***age door and let the joint air out a little before we drop back into the 20's-30's.

Rick

rick I though something smelled funny around here. now I know it is you.


joey I have one thing to say to you "AM I BLUE":jester::punk:

[JayRay]

Did you say SirJoey has been crowned the "KING NUT?
:jester:
Now we will have to call him "Your Majesty" instead of Sir.

Well, in any case, nice paint job SirJoey.
I like your color choice.
Jay

[SirJoey]

Another nice day, a bit more done...

BB greased & reassembled.
Headset greased & reassembled.
Cranks, idler, gooseneck & shifters mounted.
Steering linkage hooked up.
Parked 'er in the barn....

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2120/idlersteercranksbbmountjh8.jpg

Winter's supposed to return tomorrow though, with cold and/or rain every day till late next week.
I guess for another week, I'll be "close, but no c i g a r". :jester:


That's so wierd, the obscenity filter won't let us put the letters "g a r" together,
like the other day when someone was trying to post the word "g a r a g e". :confused:


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[KoolKat]

I like my garage, but I don't smoke cigars. Just testing.

[SirJoey]

So it's fixed then? Let's see...

Who moked a cigar in my garage? :furious:

I guess so! Thanx, Kat. :)


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[rickairmed]

Looking good King :D Joey looks like about a day of work left then off to the races on it :D.

Rick

[SirJoey]

Looking good King :D Joey looks like about a day of work left then off to the races on itThanx, Rick. Yeah, that's about what I figure too, one more good day of work.

Although I didn't take hardly any pics at all during the building process, I've actually taken quite a few
since reaching the primer & paint phase, but I didn't wanna give too much away this time before she's fin.

All I need is one more day of nice weather :sunny:, & I'll wrap this puppy up, hopefully one day next week,
then I'll be posting TONS-O-PICS, everything I shot, from primer to finish, as usual.

You know me, I love takin' pics! :D


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[Radical Brad]

Woh... that's going to be one nice machine!

Seeing all these great bikes come together is the only thing that keeps me motivated while the snow fills the backyard.

Brad

[rickairmed]

King Joey you need to man up get out there wear more clothes and get er done :D. Kat says she wants pics now so she can update the gallery :D.You can do it Joey:D

Rick

[KoolKat]

Oh, I'm sure that Sir J will come through. I'm working on the gallery updates starting Weds., though.

[SirJoey]

Still cold, still rainy, still stalled. :(

No respite in sight for at least a couple more days. :(

Still "close but no cigar". :(

Bummer... :(


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[rickairmed]

King J :D:D we are expecting 3-5" of that funny white stuff you saw out in your yard a couple weeks ago tonight with more of it and Ice coming over the next couple of days if ya hurry I'll save you some you should be able to be here by tomorrow morning if ya leave now :D. Bring the trike we'll wrap it up in the garage :D.

Rick

[SirJoey]

...if ya hurry I'll save you some you should be able to be here by tomorrow morning if ya leave now :D. Bring the trike we'll wrap it up in the garage.Oh, I'll be there alright, & I'll be bringin' something with me...

...but it won't be the trike! :evilgrin:


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[rickairmed]

Joey be carefull on your way up . I really need to go outside and take a picture I just dont want to its ccccccold out there :D. I cant tell where the yard stops and the road starts right now :D. 26* outside windchill 17* still 52* in here :D. All I can see right now is solid white from the front of my house to the front of my neighbors house across the street . Whats SKEERY is this is mostly Ice or Sleet and not snow .

Rick

[SirJoey]

Joey be carefull on your way up . I really need to go outside and take a picture I just dont want to its ccccccold out there :D. I cant tell where the yard stops and the road starts right now :D. 26* outside windchill 17* still 52* in here :D. All I can see right now is solid white from the front of my house to the front of my neighbors house across the street . Whats SKEERY is this is mostly Ice or Sleet and not snowMan, that sux, dude. I feel for ya!
The mild Winter is one of the few things I like about living here.
Being raised in northern IN though, I pay for it dearly in the Summer!

I may be able to laugh at you now, but you'll have your revenge,
when this ol' northern boy is roasting in blistering triple-digit southern
heat & high humidity, only a very few months from now! :eek:

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[rickairmed]

LOL Joey we get those temps here also granted probably not as long but we get them usually in the end of July beginning of August. Which of course is generally when I am stuck outside putting in Airconditioners :D.

Rick

[rickairmed]

Here ya go Joey these are just for you mind you this is mostly sleet and ice not alot of snow . Two differant angles off of my front porch. The stuff is still comming down out there :D.


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Rick

[rickairmed]

Heeeeeey can somebody help me find my truck I know I left it in the driveway yesterday :D.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/34681559@N05/3231878898/


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Rick

[SirJoey]

You call that snow? That's not snow!
Brad's gonna laugh his butt off! :jester:


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[rickairmed]

OOOOOOh I already know Brad and Kat will get a kick out of it just wanted to show you its not all sunshine and rainbows up here :D.

Rick

[Radical Brad]

Is that a snow drift from our place??

It's not so much the snow as it is the cold. Even when the garage is hot like a sauna, you can just crank up the fan, keep the cold ones coming and get something done. When it is -30, you have no chance of doing anything outside at all, and I still have to add insulation in the ceiling before I consider a heating option.

The garage door has been sealed for months now!

Brad

[rickairmed]

LOL Brad I wish it was snow its ICE which sucks even more :D. I just spent 45 minutes finding the windshield on my truck :D.

Rick

[SirJoey]

I just spent 45 minutes finding the windshield on my truck :D.So, it took you 45 minutes to clean the "partly cloudy" off of your truck?

We're way :offtopic: with Jay's thread again! :laugh3:


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[JayRay]

Hi All,
I figured I would stop by and say hi! :)

I finally got something done, I made some wheel progress.
Wheel hub that is. One more coat of paint on it and it will
be time to learn how to build a wheel! :rolleyes4:

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheel%20Hubs/th_WheelHubs-27.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheel%20Hubs/?action=view&current=WheelHubs-27.jpg)
(click above to see gallery)

I hope to have more to show soon...
Jay

[SirJoey]

Hi All,
I figured I would stop by and say hi!It's about time! It is, after all, your thread! :D

Nice work, as usual, Jay! Your wheel "hubs" look great! I especially love the huge
radius you put on the edges of your flanges.

You're prolly gonna wish you had masked your axles off though, all the way up to the flange,
cuz you're gonna have to sand that paint off to fit in the bearings.


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[JayRay]

Good to see you too! SirJoey,
LOL LOL LOL :cheesy:
Thanks as always for the compliments.
I know what you mean about the paint on the shaft.
I figured there would be at least a 1/2" to maybe a
1" spacer between the wheel and the bearing and
the rest I will have to sand away as you said. I
wanted to be sure I got paint into the seam
around the axle on the non welded side.
Jay

[SirJoey]

I know what you mean about the paint on the shaft.
I figured there would be at least a 1/2" to maybe a
1" spacer between the wheel and the bearing...On mine, I jammed the hub flanges all the way up against the bearings,
which makes for real close tire/frame clearance (about 1/2"), but that's how I wanted it,
especially since I've already widened the entire rear end by 4 inches:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6461/wheelclearancegi4.jpg



...and the rest I will have to sand away as you said. I
wanted to be sure I got paint into the seam
around the axle on the non welded side.Actually, I did the same thing, for the very same reason,
but if there's ever a "next time", I'm gonna mask 'em up pretty close,
cuz so far, I've never used a spacer on any of the 3, the DW, KC, or LR.


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[rickairmed]

Jay that is a good lookin axle I agree with Joey the radius on the flange looks realy good .

Rick

[JayRay]

Rickairmed,
Thanks for your compliments! :)
The radius on the edges sorta kinda happened
by accident on the first wheel disk I tried to sand
with a flap disk. I liked how it looked so I made
the rest that way too.

SirJoey,
I like the way you have the wheel tight to the frame,
especially since you widened the rear box frame. I am
hoping to keep mine as narrow as possible but I will
most likely need at least a 1/2' spacer to give me
enough clearance for the stake body pockets.

I put the final coat of paint on my first wheel hub
it really looks like a lot of paint to sand off that
axle now after 2 primer and 3 finish coats. :(
Oh well, we learn as we go.
Jay

[rickairmed]

Jay go ahead and build your wheels and when they are done get some crocus cloth to clean up that excess paint it will o quickly . Pull the crocus cloth taught around the axle with one hand and spin the wheel with the other :D.

Rick

[SirJoey]

...but I will
most likely need at least a 1/2' spacer to give me
enough clearance for the stake body pockets.Oh yeah, I forgot you're building a stake-bed. Dude, that's gonna be exceptionally nice!
Here's a stake-bed RC that I've always liked, although he obviously bolted the stakes directly to the frame,
which makes for non-removeable sides. Still, pretty sharp, though, & they won't flop around or rattle, either!

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5923/rcstakebed2ol5.jpg http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4056/rcstakebed1tk9.jpg




I put the final coat of paint on my first wheel hub
it really looks like a lot of paint to sand off that
axle now after 2 primer and 3 finish coats.5 coats total?!!! Yikes! :eek: That IS gonna be thick!


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[JayRay]

Rickairmed,
Thanks for the tip on cleaning up the painted axle!

SirJoey,
Yes, 5 coats total, but nice light no run no drip no mess coats.
I resisted the temptation to lay it on heavy and let it dry well
in between.

I have seen pictures of that RC stake body before,
somewhere online. It does seem to be that he
bolted it right to the frame. Here is another one.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_h1HT6TeZBk4/STjo2Ht1gaI/AAAAAAAAA70/AGsSm-AZatE/s1600-h/541211217_19fdca7b54.jpg

I will be welding on pockets made from cut
up 2" square tube and keeping the racks
"lighter" in size and appearance. :builder2:
Jay

[JayRay]

SirJoey's BullDog that is!

To any one even remotely considering building a LodeRunner
SirJoey's newly completed BullDog is a must see!

Meet "The Bulldog" here...
http://forum.atomiczombie.com/showthread.php?p=18107#post18107

You also must go here to really appreciate all of the fine
work and attention to detail SirJoey has put into building it.
http://cid-9d0d4df6f50aafc2.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/09%20The%20Bulldog/DSC05132.jpg

He did an incredible job! :builder2:

(SirJoey, I hope you do not mind my
linking to your post and photo gallery)

[SirJoey]

(SirJoey, I hope you do not mind my
linking to your post and photo gallery)Mind? I'm flattered Jay, really, & thanx,
but I think you're making a mountain out of a mole-hill! :jester:

Now, let's see some more progress on that stake-bed! :punk:


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[rickairmed]

Jay I am also looking forward to seeing your build . I thouht you might want to know the link to Joey's photo album is broken . The link to his bulldog works but the other is broken although you can use the one in his thread .

Rick

[JayRay]

OK, I built my first wheel!
I took my time, made small adjustments
and now I have a new wheel. :builder2:

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheels/th_WheelHubs-28.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Wheels/?albumview=slideshow)

(click above to see wheel)
I tried posting it as a slide show this time.

I slid it into the upside down frame to true it
and then put it back in with the tire on to
see how it looked. I am happy with it! :stooge_curly:

Pictures with tire and frame are in the album above.

Now I need to cut that axle
and build me another wheel.
Jay

[SirJoey]

That looks great, Jay! Congrats! :punk:

Exciting to see it on that frame section like that, ain't it?

Personally, I'm not crazy about building wheels, but the end result is most gratifying indeed,
& definitely something to be proud of! Brad's method of building a wheel directly on the
axle is a work of genius, & gives a really professional & unique appearance to any ride!

So, how long did it take you to lace & true it?



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[JayRay]

And now a bit of humor for all to enjoy...:cheesy:

When I first sat down to start my wife asked me what
I was doing. About 3 hours later my dear darling wife
walked in the room, saw the factory wheel on the floor,
looked at the one in my hands and in an effort to be
interested and supportive of my new hobby said...
"Wow, that one really looks great!
And you are almost done
with the other one!"
:rolleyes4:

And that your honor is why I love her!:heart:

SirJoey,
I figure from when I picked up the rim
to when I inflated the tire was just
about 3 1/2 hours, Straight! I kinda
got caught up in it and could not
stop until it was done.
Jay

[MoeMac]

And now a bit of humor for all to enjoy...:cheesy:

When I first sat down to start my wife asked me what
I was doing. About 3 hours later my dear darling wife
walked in the room, saw the factory wheel on the floor,
looked at the one in my hands and in an effort to be
interested and supportive of my new hobby said...
"Wow, that one really looks great!
And you are almost done
with the other one!"
:rolleyes4:

And that your honor is why I love her!:heart:

SirJoey,
I figure from when I picked up the rim
to when I inflated the tire was just
about 3 1/2 hours, Straight! I kinda
got caught up in it and could not
stop until it was done.
Jay

LOL!!!

Hey Jay... I have one of those too!!! She Loves me to death! but has no interest in bikes... She told me that she was so happy that I had found this Forum because she knew that I would get the support that I needed...

When I send her a picture I tell her in advance the type of responce that I am looking for and she Delivers!!! and then we both laugh!!

3 hours???? You are just a young apprentice... try 18 hours non stop with no trips to the upstairs apartment....:rolleyes4: then realizing I had skipped 2 meals!! Now that's addiction!

I need a Twelve Step...

I am Powerless over ZOMBIES!!! :punk:

[SirJoey]

Well Jay, it's been a week since we've heard from ya' on your stakebed.

Are you still stalled by weather, or are you secretly nearing completion,
with plans to suddenly spring it on us unexpectedly? :surprised:


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[JayRay]

SirJoey,
I am still stalled by weather.
The only place I have to work
on the frame is outside so it
will be awhile before completion.
It is starting to get to me not :mad:
being able to make any progress.
Thank you for asking how
all is going...
Jay

[SirJoey]

I am still stalled by weather.
The only place I have to work
on the frame is outside...Well THAT'S a drag! I feel for ya, dude.

Oh well, hang in there. Spring is just around the corner,
& I'm sure we'll soon be seeing some more of your clever
methods & outstanding work come to fruition! :punk:


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[JayRay]

Hi All,
Has it been a month already?

Oh well, winter and family member illness has kept
me from my build but I finally got something done
the other day. Not much, but something.

I welded my second wheel axle/hub together and
the paint is drying as I type. I hope to lace it this
weekend. Hmmm, will it still be a "rolling frame"
with just the rear box and two wheels? NOT!

I figured out where I wanted my brake disks on
the axle and welded my caliper brackets in place.

I also finally got the inside corners of my rear box
welded. My weak welding skills had me stumped
at inside corners but now I ran a nice quick clean
bead down all four inside corners. :builder2:

As always I have pictures.
(click below to view)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Progress/th_Progress-01.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Progress/?action=view&current=Progress-01.jpg)

I guess it is time to get that main beam welded on!
Jay

[SirJoey]

Man, that is really lookin' FINE, Jay!
You've proven once again, that you are a force to be reckoned with! :punk:

...'bout TIME you finally got off the couch & did something! :jester:


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[GregLWB]

That's certainly a different way of setting up the rear of the bike. Are you going to cap the tubes? I always find it educational to see all the different ways we come up with to build similar bikes/trikes/quads.:)

Good job, hope to see more!:1eye:

Greg

[Radical Brad]

You will be rolling very soon.

Brad

[JayRay]

Thanks to all for your encouragement!

RadicalBrad,
I am so looking forward to anything rolling!
:builder2:

GregLWB,
Since I made the rear box 36" x 24" I had
to figure out a different way to attach my
bearings, brakes, etc. I found the cross
beam over the axle to be the best way.
It also allowed me to separate the disk
brake from the drive gear assembly and
let me mount the brakes out closer to
the wheels. I do not think it matters as
far as how they work but I like how it
looks.
As far as the support tubes go, I really like
the look of the open tubes. I was going for
a "stacked leaf spring" look. The tubing is
14ga so I am not worried about them
collapsing. As long as I can get paint
down in them I will clean up the
ends and leave them open.

SirJoey,
Sorry but I had an old couch outside
that I sat on while I worked, NOT!
Oh, by the way, your other two
conversion projects came out GREAT!
Jay

[TheKid]

Nice work Jay. I like the stacked look. BTW, where in NJ are you located?

[JayRay]

Hi TheKid,
You from Joisey?
What exit?
I'm from Joisey,
exit 117!
:cheesy:
Jay

[Patrike]

Hi JR

Looking good my friend. I like the way you did the rear axle supports as well -simple to do. Do the bearing bolts go right through to the top or just through the 1st wall of the bottom tube. If just through the 1st wall on lower tube - you may come into an issue with side loading cornering. Down force load shoud be fine but in a turn, with a load, even a lower speeds, the walls may shift/twist without end caps for support. If just in the 1st wall then I would set up my alignment and put a couple good tacks on those bolt heads while all aligned then put on end caps.

Great work and I hope you don't mind if I end up kinda copying your method!

Cheers
Patrick

[TheKid]

Hi TheKid,
You from Joisey?
What exit?
I'm from Joisey,
exit 117!


I'm from Noo Yawk. My brother lives in Joisey. Succasunna, off Rt. 80, exit 30. Same town as John Tetz.

http://www.recumbents.com/mars/pages/proj/tetz/TFVM/TFVMp1.html

[JayRay]

I would like to keep the axle support braces open
but am interested in all others opinions about
whether or not they will be strong enough as is.
Until the final coat of paint goes
on all options will be considered.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Assembly/th_Assembly-9.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Assembly/?action=view&current=Assembly-9.jpg)
(click above for larger view)

Patrike,
I would be most flattered if any one considered
my work worthy of copying. Thank You! :)

I have been concerned about "side load" myself
on the axle supports. The bolts only go through
into the bottom support brace. I do plan on welding
them in once I do my "final" alignment of the axles.
Although it is not so clear in the photos the cross
beam above the axle is just about 1" down from
the top of the frame so it goes 1" into the first
longer brace giving it side support. The shorter
brace is the only one not side supported. The 2"
tube I bought is also 14ga making it stronger.

I was also concerned about the shorter brace
"collapsing" under top load so I moved the axle
bearings out to the far sides of the tubes to
put the weight more on the side wall.
Thanks for your input.

TheKid
Well, I started in "New Yawk".
Brooklyn to be exact. Following the fine
tradition of any good Italian family I was
born in Brooklyn, my parents moved to
Staten Island when they opened "that
damn bridge" and I in turn moved to
"Joisey" and was assigned my exit #.

Jay

[TheKid]

Well, I started in "New Yawk".
Brooklyn to be exact. Following the fine
tradition of any good Italian family I was
born in Brooklyn, my parents moved to
Staten Island when they opened "that
damn bridge" and I in turn moved to
"Joisey" and was assigned my exit #.



Same here. Brooklyn, Italian family , except we moved to Long Island in the 50's. I remember them building that "damn bridge". When I visited my aunts, uncles and cousins, we'd sometimes go to the movies on Kings Highway near W. 6th St. and watch the guys building the bridge while we waited on line. "A Hard Day's Night comes to mind, because I still remember the line that went around the block.

You shouldn't have any problems with the bearings. Brad cuts the heads off the bolts and welds the bolts in place when he uses cast bearings, and yours aren't near the ends of the tubes, so they shouldn't collapse.

[Radical Brad]

Jay...

The axle tubes will be plenty strong. Your tires will slide way before you would bend the tube walls.

Brad

[JayRay]

Radical Brad
Thanks!
That is the answer
I was hoping for.
Jay :builder2:

[Patrike]

Brad is probably correct about tires slipping before the supports give out. If I copy that method I would do end caps just for the looks-I also thought I would cut each level to match up, top of one tube with the bottom of the other and then the end cap could be on long cover. I would also cut the middle out of the middle section just to change it up a bit. I tried to up load a drawing but it would not take. I have so many idea's and no time!!:(

Cheers

[JayRay]

Well, almost, sorta, kinda rolling, with help.

I laced up my second rear wheel and welded my main boom in place.
I still have a few inside welds to do, and a few to redo but it is solidly attached.
(And straight too! :))

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Main%20Beam/th_MainBeam-16.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Main%20Beam/?action=view&current=MainBeam-01.jpg)
(click above for photos)

And before anyone asks, YES, I did pick it up by the front of the
main boom and run around the yard with it like a rickshaw! :rolleyes4:

I took a fair amount of photos as always but my memory card filled up after I
tacked the bottom joints. I flipped it over, tacked the top joints then did the
main welds before going in to get another card. It was almost my bedtime
and I wanted to finish the main welds.

Patrike
I like your idea about an even triangle axle support.
With one solid end cap spanning the rows you should
have no problem with support either even with cutting
the middle out.
Jay

[trikeman]

Nice build JayRay. Your attention to detail really shows. I thought it looked like it would make a great rickshaw too lol.

[Patrike]

Nice build JayRay. Your attention to detail really shows. I thought it looked like it would make a great rickshaw too lol.


Yah -- nice welds. I was thinking you could go the way of Mennonites and hitch up a couple of miniture pony's on either side of the boom. Be a great kids ride.

Again -- looking great. What colour you have you decided on -- painting is just around the corner at the rate your going.

Cheers
Patrick

[GregLWB]

Thanks for all the detailed pictures. I tend to wing it or play it by ear until I see somebody doing it the right way and then try to adopt their good habits. When I see pictures of how carefully you lay things out and even the way you are clamping, etc. it is helping me to learn better methods for my own builds and I think my next one will be better.

Thanks again, it looks great, and I thought it looked like a really cool heavy duty trailer!:jester:

Greg

[TheKid]

Nice work. That pic gives me an idea. With that long boom, you could make a scoop with a spring loaded bottom that opens and closes, use 20" wheels with 14mm stud axles, put a T handle where the front tube goes, and have yourself a hand operated loader.
A little late for this in most of the continent, but it would also make a good snow shovel.

[ljack]

And before anyone asks, YES, I did pick it up by the front of the
main boom and run around the yard with it like a rickshaw! :rolleyes4:

I'm soooo looking forward to do that myself :jester:

[JayRay]

Thanks all for your compliments and "ideas"
on what to do with the frame I have built.
I think I will slowly continue on with my
LodeRunner though. :builder2:

Weather is still wreaking havoc on my build time.
We have only been getting 1 nice day a week but
that will change soon, I hope. I did manage to get
something done though. I went out to work on my
front wheel setup one day but noticed how much
rust was starting to show on the frame. I ended up
"touching up" my welds, sanding the frame and
getting a coat of primer on it. Next time out I got
to start working on my front wheel. As always I
have more pictures than progress to post. :(

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Main%20Beam/th_MainBeam-20.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Main%20Beam/?action=view&current=MainBeam-20.jpg)

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Front%20Wheel/th_FrontWheel-09.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Front%20Wheel/?action=view&current=FrontWheel-09.jpg)
(click above to see progress)

As far as final color goes It will be a Black frame,
hunter green seat, some small pieces (axle bearings,
bearing cups, brake levers etc...) also green and maybe
a little touch of gold here or there. The rack body and
rear bed will be tung oiled oak compliments of some
"recycled" pallets.
Jay

[trikeman]

Fantastic looking build JayRay. Those are also some darned pretty welds. Its hard to believe you made them with a $119 list price Harbor Freight stick welder and have never welded before you started this project. You learn fast. Keep up the good work.

[GregLWB]

Good Job! You've almost got a rolling chassis. The hard part is almost over and it is certainly well documented.:jester: I will be referring to your pictures when I build a LR this summer.

Greg

[ljack]

Hey, great progress! Your welds look great, my welds are still not that consistent...
Now up to the detail work, I'm interested to see how you do the seat and shifting!
Keep up the great work! :punk:

[savarin]

Beautiful welding, neat, clean and what looks like excellent fusion.
Having just looked at the pics I now know what you meant by the "old fashioned leaf springs look". I like it.
Looking forward to view the finished what will be a high quality project.

[Patrike]

JR - you dissappoint me -- your progress is slow, your quality of work is amateurish at best - you should stop now before you really embarrass yourself -- dude, just kidding -- had you going heh! I am enjoying your build immensely and watching closely as I am 95% certain that is my next build. I have decided to call it RumRunner: It's main function will be to carry precious cargo - mainly the beer store!

[JayRay]

Hi All,
Well the weather here went from 40's and rainy to
92 with no clouds or breeze! I had to quit after a
few hours. I did get something done though, besides
frying my brain, I made and attached my seat mount.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Seat%20Mount/th_SeatMount-20.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Seat%20Mount/?action=view&current=SeatMount-01.jpg)
(click above for photos)

Trikeman, Savarin, Ljack
As far as my welding is going, I do tend to show you
only my best and I am very thankful for the power of
the angle grinder to correct my mistakes! :cheesy:
The best part is that I bought
the welder on sale at $90!

Patrike
I will be most happy to disappoint you on a more
regular basis if the weather ever cooperates! :rolleyes4:

GregLWB
It might be awhile before I put that front wheel on.
I wanted to get my seat and bottom bracket on
before I cut my main boom to it's final length.
Because I made the rear box longer I want to
make the boom as short as I can. I leave the
rear wheels on so it is easier to move around.
The seat is done, bottom bracket is next.

Thank you all once again for your
compliments and encouragement!
:)
Jay

[Patrike]

Looking good -- did you put spacers to allow for the paint thickness?

[JayRay]

Patrike,
The seat bracket is welded on but I
will be sure to remember the spacers
when I make the bottom bracket.
Thanks!:)
Jay

[SirJoey]

That is gonna be one SWEET ride, Jay!
She's really shapin' up nicely, WTG!


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[JayRay]

Hi All,
I am slowly crawling forward and oh so close to a rolling frame!
I am having some difficulties with the head tube angle and trail
setup on my front wheel but thanks to help from others here I
think I know how to get it done and hope to attach the front
frame tube next time out. Click below to see related thread
"Head Tube Angle Question?".
http://forum.atomiczombie.com/showthread.php?p=24682#post24682

I had to extend my front frame tube as part
of the solution and I have gotten that part done.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Front%20Wheel/th_FrontWheel-35.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Front%20Wheel/?action=view&current=FrontWheel-35.jpg)
(click above to see all photos)
What looks like a bow in the tube is a camera issue,
the tube is straight.

I also put my bottom bracket assembly together.
I am waiting to see my chain line before I attach
the derailleur tube. Because I made the rear box
3' long instead of 2' I may have to put a pulley
1/2 way between the pedals and rear drive
gears to lower the drive side of the chain
so it clears the frame. If I do, I think it
will affect the angle the front derailleur
needs to be set at to work properly.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Pedal%20Power/th_PedalPower-01.jpg (http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/JustJay2009/Pedal%20Power/?action=view&current=PedalPower-01.jpg)
(click above to see all photos)

I want to "touch up" the welds on the bottom
bracket shell brackets, just for looks since I
think they are strong enough as the are.

That is about it for now...
Jay