Warrior Parts List?

[bikenstock]

Hello all:
I just got my Warrior plans and have not owned a trike yet. Have I missed it or is there no parts list of commercial parts needed for the Warrior? I started a small one and incomplete; few brand names and no prices.
I am thinking those who wanted to could keep their own list and link us to it if they have a way and want to share the info. If one used cannibalized parts like steerer tubes off old bikes, one could just list them as such. If there was a great buy on something, we could enter it. Would a Word table be a good format?
There are rarely used parts such as a one lever adapter to pull two brake cables for the front brakes that would be good to find, and there are common, easy to find items. Someone ambitious might even find good parts cheap and organize a group buy (say on hubs) to meet minimum order requirements or get quantity discounts.
Another ambitious person might organize group deals or rates to get a machinist (maybe one of us with the tools and inclinations) to make some of the parts that would be machinable.

Here is what I have so far as a list of commercial items.

Warrior Parts List

1 ea. Triple Ring Crankset (165mm –175mm)
1 ea. Bottom Bracket
1 ea. Pedal Set
3 ea. Avid Disc Brakes
1 ea. Brake Lever and Adapter for both Front Wheels
1 ea. Brake Lever for Rear Wheel
2 ea. Brake Cables and Housing
2 ea. 20mm Disc Hubs, 32 – 36 hole, Front Wheel
1 ea. 20mm Disc Hub, Rear Wheel, Freehub, 32 – 36 hole, Rear Wheel
3 ea. Headsets, 1 1/8 inch Aheadset
1 ea. Handlebar
1 ea. Shifter set, 9 speed, Bar End or Twist
1 ea. Cassette, 9-speed
1 ea. Front Derailluer Clamp-On
1 ea. Rear Derailluer, Long Cage
2 ea. Shifter Cables and Housing
2 ea. 20” Rims
1 ea. 26” Rim
Spokes for Above
2 ea. 20” Tires
1 ea. 26” Tire
1 ea. Very Long Chain
2 ea. Idler Wheels

Lemme know whatcha think. Some might not like an overly organized approach like this; for others this might be just the thing. Either way, build a good one!
Don

[SirJoey]

Lemme know whatcha think. Some might not like an overly organized approach like this...I think it's great, BS! To ME, there's no such thing as "overly" organized! WTG!

...and welcome to the Krew, BTW! :)


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[Odd Man Out]

Welcome Don

I am organized like you and have a parts list for the bikes I build. I have never listed them in the forum because I am cautious as to how much info I put out here from the plans. If we put dribs and drabs of info out, then over time all a person has to do is to glean through the posts and they no longer have the need to buy the plans. I am very grateful to Brad and Kat for all the good things they have done for us and the last thing I would want to do is rob them of any money.

Another reason I don't put the parts list up is because I feel (my opinion only) that if a person wants to get into this hobby, then they need to make an effort to get educated about things. At least here in the USA, we have dumbed things down so much that our population would panic if the power went out for more than two days -- people are not as smart as they once were -- and I think that is because they don't need to be -- everything is being done for them. Buck the trend. Be a rebel and let people grow. The only way a person really learns is if they have to and see the need to. Rant done.

Again welcome -- can't wait to see picts of your completed Warrior

[trikeman]

Looking at Bikenstock's list, I am pretty sure that most any trike you build would need all those parts. You might substitute a different set of hubs or rims, but there is nothing I see in the list that is proprietary, or that would require beyond a 3rd grade education to figure you needed. Publishing a set of measured drawings or the step by step build pictures would be a different story, since that is pretty special to the build. I think we can get so paranoid with this that the forum becomes useless. I agree that Brad and Kat deserve their due and when I buy plans and the books its mostly to support the site. Other sites I belong to ask for donations or paid membershipts, and I do that too, but here at least you get something tangible for your donation. The plans do make a build much easier and are well worth the money, and the books are great. JMHO.

[Freth]

I don't see a need for a 20mm rear wheel hub & axle. The axle is supported on both sides just like any other bicycle ... 3/8" or 1/2" axle should do just fine. Whatever you've got in the way of a donor wheel ... :-?

[TheKid]

A search will reveal sources for probably all the items you've listed, including dual brake levers. I agree wholeheartedly with Freth, there's no need for a 20mm rear hub. Also, if you plan on using 1 1/8" headsets, you'll need the correct size head tubes. If you don't find donors with 1 1/8" headsets, you'll have to buy the tubes, or alter a tube to fit.
Then there are preferences. Chainrings, pedals, BB's etc. are all available in different sizes and types. It really helps if you know what's comfortable for you on a given type of bike.
For instance, you may find 170mm cranks are fine on an upright DF, but too long for a bent with a laid back seat and a BB that's higher than the seat.

[bikenstock]

Hello again, all:
Thanks for the good replies. I totally agree with Freth and The Kid about your personal preferences and sources of parts. On my personal list, I will only need two brakes, two 20mm hubs and no single-dual cable adapter (the official name, right?!!), as I plan for no back brake. I made up the list I sent thinking to agree with the manual, but agreeing that all of us will likely tailor it to our preferences.
One thing a parts list does is help to get an idea of costs for those of us on a budget. Too, we could possibly assign a priority to parts used early on so that we can buy parts in order of need or installation and expenses can be stretched out over a longer period. This may be preferable to the NTBS (non-trike-building-spouse) that we share expenses with. : -)
Has anyone thought of or tried shoulder screws for the front axle "mounting bolts"? I guess I'll get busy and see if there are any in metric sizes.
I wonder if people really do read this forum in hopes of building a trike without paying the modest fee for the plans. If you're out there, think about this: The price of the plans is likely less than almost any part of the trike you will have to buy. If you get just one good idea from the entire 178 pages, it is worth $16.95! And in reality, all of us will get much more from them. I get a feeling I am really preaching to the choir here!
Thanks to Brad, Kat and all posters here. No one I have shown the pictures in the plans fails to say that this is a cool trike! Build a good one!
Don

[Odd Man Out]

there is nothing I see in the list that would require beyond a 3rd grade education to figure you needed.

My point exactly -- so why the list again???

[xthng1]

OMO... If Brad or Kat see a problem I'm sure they can edit or delete the post.

[Odd Man Out]

OMO... If Brad or Kat see a problem I'm sure they can edit or delete the post.

It is not the specific list that I am ranting about -- I agree that it is innocuous -- There are two things that I try to warn about (Tman may call it paranoia...);

The first is that in innocence a person out of pride in his work may put out a piece of plans info such as; "I am really proud of the tube miter (picture inserted here), I really nailed the 168 degree angle called for don't you think???". I don't think a warning every once in a while hurts. You can call me the forum conscience if you like.

Once the info is on the web, even for a minute, the info is out of the box and can't be recaptured and be made secret again. A single person could read the post and write about it in a blog. Sure Kat could delete the post but she could never be sure that the info has not been captured and reposted prior to deletion.

The other thing I try to warn about the the "dumbing" down of society. An example of this is when a person asks a question that has been answered on this forum many times over. Rather than to take the time -- or is it mental effort? -- to use the search feature to find the info themselves, they are like a baby bird in a nest waiting with their mouths open to be fed. I am of the firm conviction that if a thing has been achieved without effort, then the achievement is meaningless.

My two cents

[KoolKat]

Interesting points on all sides. However, I'm highly recommending that no more parts lists be posted. I understand people's needs for lists. I use them myself.

But, bear in mind that there is a learning curve, which is part of the overall building experience. There are many variables involved in building these projects that affect not only the design, but the parts used. Not everyone will have exactly the same parts. Not everyone is exactly the same height and weight. Not everyone has the same leg length. Not everyone will use exactly the same tires, handlebars, cranks, derailleurs, brakes, etc.

The main idea is to let your creativity loose, improvise and enjoy the overall experience, learning along the way. You can build the projects exactly as described in each plan (each part needed is discussed), or customize to suit your own style and needs.

Over 700 submissions to the Builders Gallery (http://www.atomiczombie.com/gallery.htm) are proof that anyone can build their own human powered and electric vehicles. I can count on one hand how many times it's been suggested that we provide blueprints. Those people are completely missing the point about why we're here and why we do this.

Seriously, folks, all of the parts needed are discussed in each project. So, please keep your own lists for yourself and refrain from posting them. Encourage each other to think out-of-the-box, let the creativity flow and let's keep building those awesome rides. Thanks.

[bikenstock]

As you wish, ma'am.
Don

[Freth]

There are some people who are "lock-step" people. They feel they need to be told exactly every part and precisely every step to successfully do a project. When I was in computer graphics classes --- they were the ones who insisted on knowing the way (one and only) to tweak graphics ... and became upset when the instructor allowed creative ones to take a concept and "run wild" with it seeing what else they could do ... and find other ways it could be done ... or other ways they would like it to appear. We each have different ways of handing things. The object is the successful completion of a wonderful project (Warrior Trike). :-)