Help On wheels

[gbbwolf]

OMG im so STUPID.
I have spent a week looking for rims that will hold up to my 350 lbs.
Couldnt i just buy some nice trike wheels that have 20 mm openings.which is roughly 13/16 of an inch. Get a 1 Inch cold rolled steel precision ground rod and have the machine shop thread the ends long enough to fit all the way through the hubs. double nut and washer each side and bolt them on.
If not someone please help me figure this out.
Summer is near.
And im still looking for wheels lmao

Thanks Nelson

Found these on ebay Any ideas

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=380024081363&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=025

These are really cheap at 5 bucks a wheel but wont hold me i think lol.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BICYCLE-PARTS-WHOLESALE-PARTS-26-RIMS-TIRES-TB-1_W0QQitemZ300223022674QQihZ020QQcategoryZ107000QQ tcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262


Maybe these

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ATB-WHEEL-SET-DISC-READY-WHEELS-26-WTB-TIRES_W0QQitemZ200221193710QQihZ010QQcategoryZ5808 9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUN-RHYNO-LITE-Formula-DISC-WTB-Tires-Wheel-Set-Wheels_W0QQitemZ200221193744QQihZ010QQcategoryZ580 89QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[AtomicZombie]

How about going to 20 inch with 48 spokes and 3/4 axles? basically, KyotoCruiser and LodeRunner style rear wheels on the DW.

Brad

[gbbwolf]

Just found these look bullet proof to me.

http://www.huskybicycles.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=506-703&Category_Code=whl&Store_Code=hbs

With my size would the streetfighter be a better or worse choice. could get 4 20 inch bullet proof rims then.
I dont wanna go fast just go.Fast may come later when i drop 100 pounds lol .

And what about height on the delta wolf is using 20 inch rims all around going to lower it much.
And if i make rear tubes like 12 inches instead of 7 will that bring height up some or put too much stress on it.

Cant buy from that site their checkout system is DEAD

[gbbwolf]

Maybe someone could design me a bigmans trike New Project for BRAD......

Loderunner hmmm i dont see plans for a loderunner "with me being the load"

Maybe you could design one for me call it the GreatBigBadWolf which is what my gbbwolf stands for i have had this nickname for 20 years.

[TheKid]

With a nickname like that, no other trike will do except the DW.

[gbbwolf]

Got to laugh at that cause when i ran across this site I thought omg i just gotta build a deltawolf And get me some stickers for GBBWOLF lmao LMFAO
And with my frame having to be like 48 inches long and 30 inches wide for my 25 inch shoulders lol

[SirJoey]

BTW, what's "Imao"?

[TheKid]

That's lmao. (LMAO) The l is for laughing. I know you know the rest.

[SirJoey]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm familiar with THAT one. I just thought it said i mao. Couldn't figure that one out. I kept thinking it must mean "In my (something) opinion".

[TheKid]

Same here, until I realized it was l, not I.

[gbbwolf]

imao could be for IN My Asinine Opinion

Definitions of asinine at Dictionary.com. ... 1. foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid: It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[SirJoey]

Good one, Gb! :)

[Richie Rich]

imao could be for IN My Asinine Opinion

Definitions of asinine at Dictionary.com. ... 1. foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid: It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements.:rolleyes::rolleyes:HAH..!! You guys always keep me ROTFLMFAO...!!! :D

...Richie >>

[TheKid]

Watch that language Rich! This is a family site!:D

[Richie Rich]

Watch that language Rich! This is a family site!:D
My only defense is "Teenaged Grandson".
If you could see some of the abbreviations used by the kids when 'text messaging', you'd cringe...!!

.....Richie >>

[TheKid]

If they could hear me yell at the collection agency people when they call at dinnertime or after 8PM, THEY'D cringe! (When I broke my leg, I had no medical coverage. The first two hospitals kicked me out, the third took me no questions asked. The first two hospitals had the audacity to charge me over $1500 each for telling me they couldn't treat me. The third hospital charged me $1300 for the operation, and the doctors involved charged another $2300. I'm on a payment plan for $200 per month to cover everything. Meanwhile, I was sending $5 per month to the other two hospitals, and I guess they didn't like it because they both hired collection agencies. I keep telling them they can only get $5 per month because my only income is disability payments. I told them repeatedly not to call or cotact me in any way, and have even sent letters via certified mail telling them to cease and desist making any attempt to contact me. I'm waiting for them to take me to court, so I could countersue under FTC rules. Actually, I can sue them now if I want to. The last time I spoke to them, they said they were handing the cases to their lawyers. I said good. If you go to court and win, you'll get a judgement you can't collect, and you'll add court costs to what I supposedly owe. To give you an example of what I say to them when they call at inappropriate times, I curse them out them tell them to climb back in the sewer with the rest of your family. One guy called me an MF, so I said keep your mother off the streets and you won't have to call me that. He had the nerve to hang up on me!)

[gbbwolf]

Do you know at least in indiana if they refuse your 5 buck a month payment then their entire bill is null and void.
Told the hospital that and they screamed at me.
So I said refuse my payment watch what happens.
She put her supervisor on i told him same thing.
He said bs.
I said ok send my check back for 5 bucks with the reason you refused it and hung up.
He called next afternoon and said my 5 dollar payment a month would be fine. Guess he called a lawyer LMAO

Hurt my back aint worked in 2 years collection agencys quit calling me.
Told them all to sue me i have no job. me and wife live with my mother. By the time we pay her rent,buy food,cigs,gas for car,and insurance. They might get a buck a month between them all to split. My wife makes 8.25 an Hr and only works 35 hours a week. Only reason i had money to blow on building this bike is i found 4 dish network receivers with yellow cards that people use for hacking satellite. 20 buck investment for all 4 sold em on ebay for 100 bucks a piece plus shipping. wish i could do that evry week lol

[TheKid]

Basically the same here. I tell them take the 5 bucks or get nothing, because my only income is untouchable. The first hospital took x rays before they kicked me out, knowing full well I wasn't insured. This was a separate charge from the $1500. I refused to pay, because there was no reason for xrays if they weren't going to fix the fracture. They said they just wanted to make sure my leg was broken, I said my foot was facing backward. A five year old would know it was broken. After I refused, they called the lawyers on me and I got a subpoena. I had 30 days to answer. On the 29th day, I called the lawyer and said here's the deal. You can't collect a dime from me, so I'm not even going to answer the subpoena. When you get a judgement you can't collect, it will have cost your client the court fees plus your fees. And if I do receive notice that you got a default judgement, I'll send a copy of this taped phone call to your client, so they could bring against you to the bar association. Then I'll sue your client for violating my patient rights. So your choice is, tell your client to forget about the x ray charges, or I'll sue the s#%t out of them. They forgot about the xray charges.

[Richie Rich]

I have spent a week looking for rims that will hold up to my 350 lbs.
Summer is near.
And im still looking for wheels

Thanks NelsonHi, Nelson.....With your financial situation and your size, your least expensive route is to make your own wheels as shown in the DW plans. Brad has just posted an easy way to make the hub flanges with minimal tools.

Keep in mind that the reason for making custom hubs for the DW is to increase the spacing between the flanges. Unlike a 2-wheeler, there's a lot of lateral stress on trike wheels because trikes don't lean.

I'm also a 'man of substantial heft' and with normal wheels, there's a good chance of the wheels collapsing in sharp turns. By increasing the space between the hub flanges, you add great strength to the wheels.

Making your own custom wheels isn't that hard and there are websites which will show you step by step how to lace the spokes. Most DW builders here have done it with great success.

I hope this helps....keep us posted.

.....Richie Rich >>

[gbbwolf]

Well let see im 6ft7 355lbs thinking of building with 1.5 inch 14 guage,
tube. already decided to go with 3/4 axles and making my own hub flanges.
Just ordered 26 inch wheels double walled rims. will be pulling wheels apart and making my own hub flanges hoping if i make em same exact size i can still use the spokes. (we shall see)
Ordered a 48 spoke 20 inch double walled rim.
Think ill end up using old schimano instaed of having the hub adapter machined.

[Richie Rich]

Just ordered 26 inch wheels double walled rims. will be pulling wheels apart and making my own hub flanges hoping if i make em same exact size i can still use the spokes. (we shall see)When you widen the space between the flanges, the existing spokes could be a bit short if you keep the same dimensions. But the nice thing about making your own flanges is that you can compensate for this by drilling the spoke holes closer to the edge of the flanges to match the spoke length.

Ordered a 48 spoke 20 inch double walled rim.There's less side stress on the front wheel than on the 2 rear wheels, so that'll work fine for your DW front wheel without any modification.

Best of luck.....Richie >>

[gbbwolf]

So if i make the hub flanges slightly bigger than the original's then i would have more room to move them out to compensate for the spokes being too short, Without getting to close to the edge of the hub flange.
Which i think would weaken the design. Nice idea Thanks

[TheKid]

Measure your spokes, then use a spoke length calculator to figure the size of the flange. Assuming you're going to make the flanges 3" apart, that comes to 76mm, (2.99") half of that is 38mm (The calculator in the link below asks for the center of the hub to the flange.) Then just enter different size flanges until you match your spoke lengths. you can safely go 1mm longer or shorter on the spoke lengths. Here's a link for a mm to inch conversion:

http://www.metric-conversions.org/

and for the spoke length calculator:

http://www.bikeschool.com/spokes/

[Richie Rich]

Here's the on-line calculator that I've used several times with great success.....
(NOTE...all demensions are metric. This works with Windows/Java, but I've not tested it with a Mac.)

http://www.houseof3d.com/pete/applets/wheel/appwheel.html

First measure your spoke length in millimeters.

Next, use the sliders in the program to set your 'Rim Diameter' and 'Flange Spacing' numbers.

Then, just move the 'Flange Hole Circle' slider while watching the 'Spoke Length' numbers at the bottom. When you see the length of your spokes at the bottom, look up at the number showing for the 'Flange Hole Circle'.

That number is the diameter of the circle which you'll use to lay out the position on the flanges for your spoke holes.

Finally, make the outer most diameter of your flange a bit larger and drill away..!!

......Richie >>

[3dipper]

Hey Richie:
Can you walk me through how you did the removable rear wheels for your delta wolf? I want to do the same thing. Thnx 3dipper (littleax_36@yahoo.com)

[Richie Rich]

Hey Richie:
Can you walk me through how you did the removable rear wheels for your delta wolf? I want to do the same thing. Thnx 3dipper (littleax_36@yahoo.com)
Check your email...

Richie >>

[SirJoey]

Hey Richie:
Can you walk me through how you did the removable rear wheels for your delta wolf? I want to do the same thing. Thnx 3dipper (littleax_36@yahoo.com)

He won't do it, he hates everybody! That "e-mail" will be his price-quote! ;)

[Richie Rich]

DANG..!!
I've been outed by Joey the Dog-faced boy...!!

(Love your avatar, Joe...!!) :p

=====[Richie]====

[gbbwolf]

Ok i got my wheels today and im trying to figure out how to reuse my old spokes when i build my hub but when i go to the calculator it asks for measurements and i read the directions but i still cant figure out what the frick they want me to measure.
I aint a bike mechanic im a ******* i guess.
can someone make me a diagram on what i need to measure.
I mean it wants An ERD Flange hole circle and flange spacing.
Glad im building the simple delta.

[TheKid]

ERD is the Effective Rim Diameter. Measure the inside of the rim, making sure it's center to center. If you don't have a metric ruler, you'll need a mm to inch conversion chart to get the measurement in mm. Add the thickness of the rim for both sides. It's usually 2mm thick, so add 4mm to the inside diameter. That's your ERD. Flange hole circle (Diameter) is the distance between the spoke holes on opposite sides of the flange. Flange spacing is the distance between flanges measured on the outside.

[gbbwolf]

http://forum.atomiczombie.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=80&d=1210909376

Ok i get the ERD and i get the flange spacing i think lol.
Tried to put the picture in here lol Is it option 1 or 2 lmao

[TheKid]

The flange spacing is correct. The spoke hole circle diameter is the diameter of the hub minus the distance the center of a spoke hole is from the edge, times 2.
In other words, the axle gets in the way of measuring. One way of getting an accurate measurement if you don't have calipers, is to use a c-clamp as a caliper. Put the clamp over the edges of the flange, making sure it's directly centered. Tighten the clamp until you can just get the flange out. measure the distance between the stationary and adjustable stops on the clamp. Then measure the distance from the center of a spoke hole to the edge of the flange. Double that measurement and subtract it from the total diameter of the flange. That's the spoke hole circle diameter. Let's say your flange is 2 1/4" wide, and the center of the spoke holes are 3/16" from the edge.

3/16" X 2 = 3/8"

2 1/4" - 3/8" = 1 7/8".

1 7/8" is the spoke hole circle diameter.

If your spokes are too short to make the flange spacing 3" wide, you could make your flanges wider. So let's say your spoke hole circle is 1 7/8" and the hub is 2" wide. Use the calculator to figure out how much larger than 1 7/8" the spoke hole circle diameter needs to be to match the length of your spokes.

[gbbwolf]

One more time. Think this old man has it.

Wait a min thats a lot of figuring lol.
Dont they make a inside dial micrometer or calipers or some chit like that lol
"Thinking back 30 years to high school shop class"

[TheKid]

Bingo. Now you've got it.

[n9viw]

Most good hardware stores have good slide ("vernier") calipers, as well as micro-graduated steel rules. If you get a caliper, be sure to get them in steel, NOT plastic. I have several calipers, as well as a steel t-slide ruler (6"). It has graduations down to the hundredth on one side, very handy.

A great conversion utility for ... well, almost everything, is at http://joshmadison.com/article/convert-for-windows . I learned about it here at work, and it is the ONLY software-based conversion utility approved for use by UL! (at least approved for UL employees to use). Excellent program, and FREE! :D

[TheKid]

Nice link. Thanks.

[trikeman]

Most good hardware stores have good slide ("vernier") calipers, as well as micro-graduated steel rules. If you get a caliper, be sure to get them in steel, NOT plastic. I have several calipers, as well as a steel t-slide ruler (6"). It has graduations down to the hundredth on one side, very handy.

A great conversion utility for ... well, almost everything, is at http://joshmadison.com/article/convert-for-windows . I learned about it here at work, and it is the ONLY software-based conversion utility approved for use by UL! (at least approved for UL employees to use). Excellent program, and FREE! :D

I love this little brass caliper so much, that when I mislaid it a few months ago, I bought another one. Of course I found it the next day. It is great for carrying in your pocket when you go junking.

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200306412_200306412

[gbbwolf]

Ok well here i go trying to figure this out wish me luck LMAO
Well that was a fun filled 2 hrs LMAO
Well if i did this correctly
My ERD is 538 MM
My flanges are 68 MM ,Spoke hole circle is 4mm from edge X 2 Making my spoke hole circle 60 MM
Flange to Flange is 58 MM So if Increase FLange to Flange To 3.5 Inches or 89MM
My Outside Diameter will be 80MM with my spoke hole circle 72MM
My spoke lengths were 255.7MM And now they are 255.9MM
Seeing how this is .2 MM difference I "think" I GOT IT.......

[TheKid]

No. Since you already have the flanges, the spoke hole circle diameter, and the ERD are constant. Keep those the same on the calculator, and adjust the spacing between the flanges until the spoke length matches the ones you are using. If the spacing is too narrow, you'll either have to make new flanges or buy new spokes. If you choose to make new flanges, keep the ERD and the flange spacing constant, and adjust the spoke hole diameter circle until you get spoke length that matches your spokes. Bear in mind that the flange spacing could be 3" for 24" or 26" wheels. You could use the stock 2 - 2 1/2" width for 20" wheels.

[Richie Rich]

So if Increase FLange to Flange To 3.5 Inches or 89MM, My Outside Diameter will be 80MM with my spoke hole circle 72MM
My spoke lengths were 255.7MM And now they are 255.9MM
Seeing how this is .2 MM difference I "think" I GOT IT.......

My only concern is that you gave 2 different dimensions for your spokes. Spokes don't shrink, so be sure to measure them correctly before using them with the program.

Since you said you're making your own flanges, I used the numbers you provided and came up with....

-36 hole Rim
-Spokes laced in a 3 Cross pattern
-Rim Diameter = 538mm
-Flange spacing = 89mm
-Spoke length = 255.8 (???)
-Your spoke circle will be 71 mm.

But, don't start drilling until you're sure of the spoke length. A silly little millimeter can affect the other dimensions.

Good luck with your project...!!

......Richie >>

[gbbwolf]

I measured my rim that I have now.
ERD=538MM
The flange I have now on this rim is 68MM
The circle hole Diameter is 60 MM
Flange to Flange is 58MM
Spoke Length is 255.7MM

After I slide the Flange to Flange to 3.5inches which is 89 MM
I have to increase the flange hole circle diameter to 72 MM
in order to maintain my spoke length at 255.7
I cant get it to exactly 255.7
I figure .1 MM is close enough.

ERD= 538MM
Flange will need to be 80MM
The circle hole will need to be 72MM
Flange to flange Will be 89MM
Spoke length was 255.7MM with my adjustments it says 255.6MM
Nothing changed about spoke length.
Just the calculator isn't exactly precise.
MY SPOKES can NEVER grow.MY Original measurement was 256MM....
All my measurements were done with my calipers,and a metric Tape measure.

Hope this clears it up.

[gbbwolf]

36 Hole
3 Cross
ERD= 538 MM
Flange hole Circle 60MM
Flange Spacing 58MM
Spoke Length = 255.7
This is my rim now....

When i make my hubs they need to be I "think"
36 Hole
3 Cross
ERD= 538 MM
Flange hole Circle 72MM
Flange Spacing 89MM this is 3.5" per brads plan.
Spoke Length = 255.6

The reason I dont go with 3" wide on my hubs is I'm 355 pounds.
Don't think increasing the spacing to 3" would be sufficient.
Seeing How I just spent 50 bucks a rim, I don't want em crushed in 1 run.



Nelson

[gbbwolf]

Well one good thing about emachineshop is you can design a part then print out the design when you are done.

If anyone uses emachine shop and wants to see my hub flange design i can send ya the .ems file.

[TheKid]

Yes. Sorry, I misunderstood. Sheldon Brown said he just went to the next longest spoke. The length doesn't have to be precise. Here's his wheelbuilding link:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html