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Richie104
08-08-2011, 09:07 AM
Hi all, its been a while since I have posted. I am finally ready now to take the plunge and I ordered my steel this morning. Woo!!! But before I go any further I have one final question for you all. The main reason I want to build a recumbent is to get to places comfortably and be able to see where im going, I used to ride DF bikes a lot and I was quite happy to ride 100 miles+ all day cruises in the country, I want to be able to do a similar thing on a recumbent but in greater comfort with possibly a slightly higher cruising speed, this is why I chose the tomahawk as it seemed perfect for what I wanted.

Now I have bored you all to death with my life story now for my question:
I have seen the M5 M-Racer and I really like the idea of putting a 26" wheel on the front of my tomahawk. For those of you who don't know what a M-Racer looks like here is an image:
http://m5recumbents.com/uploads/Itemizer/popups/1780.1.jpg

I was just wondering what extra work would be involved and if you think it might be a good idea or not to increase the front wheel size. I already have the plans for the High roller but I liked the idea of having a bent frame instead of a stick frame so that I can sit slightly between the wheels.
Another think that factors into this is I already have a nice Mavic crossride front disc 26" wheel and im also pretty tall at 6'4" so pedal strike won't be an issue. It might also make the chain line more efficient.

Well what does everyone think of the idea then?
This post could also become my work log as it will save creating a second post.
Thanks for the help everyone
Richard

John Lewis
08-08-2011, 09:48 AM
Tomahawk build materials and methods and the general geometry copied from the M5 and it should work out fine I should think.
Being a shortie I need to use the small front wheel but then the high racer format means I can barely touch the ground.

The M5 layout with a small 20" front wheel might be the way for me If I want something a bit taller than a lowracer.

John

Richie104
08-08-2011, 09:54 AM
Here is just another image I made up quick and its actually pretty surprising how close they are to each other

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/Overlay.jpg

ken will
08-08-2011, 10:58 AM
6'4" isn't tall,.. it's normal! 6'3" is short!
You should be fine with a 26" front wheel.

Something for everyone to think about:
Riding by yourself or drafting other Lowracers , a Lowracer would be more aerodynamic.
But if you are drafting DFs ( aka upwrongs ) a Highroller would benefit more from drafting the people sitting higher up.

Richie104
11-27-2011, 03:46 PM
Well I have finally gotten around to making something :) I have altered the Tomahawk plans to make a 26" mid racer as the roads round here are just so terrible there is no way I could use a 20" wheel. I know all you zombies thrive on pictures so here a few of my first 2 days of construction;

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/26112011171.jpg

This is my first days efforts which I built 2 weeks ago.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/26112011176.jpg

And this is were I got upto this saturday. Its starting to come together now and I actually have a rolling chassis now.

Here is one final image I mocked up like the one I made before which shows a nice comparison to a M5 M-Racer which is what im aiming for:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/261120111762.jpg

There is still a lot to do and I will hopefully do some more next weekend and get some more pictures online.
I hope you all like the look of my bent so far and if you have any pointers or advice I would love to hear from you.
Regards
Richard

David_s
11-27-2011, 04:57 PM
Looks cool, my tomahawk uses the 20" front rim but sometimes I think it is a little too low. I pay special attention when going through parking lots. I think the bigger rims will smooth out some of the bumps for you. Keep up the good work.

charlie_r
11-27-2011, 05:08 PM
Fantastic!

Love the way you are comparing AZ goods and commercial.

Keep going, you will have a great ride soon.

John Lewis
11-28-2011, 04:42 AM
Coming along nicely. Interesting to see just how close the modded Tomahawk is to the M5.

John

Richie104
12-10-2011, 04:06 PM
Well I have finally had some time to think this weekend now all my exams are over so I have gotten some more done this weekend :)

My first job was to get a seat installed:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10122011181.jpg
These are my tabs for the seat, I was a bit lazy with these, but no one will see those ones the seat is on the bike. It also shows off my welding, this project was the first time I ever welded so I donít think Iím doing too badly.

I finished the seat and I then went onto the front boom. After much fiddling around, calling for help and falling over a few times I got the right angle sorted for my boom, cut it and welded it on:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10122011180.jpg

Here is another view of it:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10122011182.jpg

My mum fold me it looked like some strange sort of swan sculpture like this :)

Continued in part 2 (Picture restrictions):

Richie104
12-10-2011, 04:09 PM
Part 2:

I then put some forks on the bike and the seat so I could find out how far the cranks needed to be away from me. Iím not actually building this bike to be adjustable so I just welded the bottom bracket straight to the boom:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10122011183.jpg

In this picture you can actually seem by donor bottom bracket and the first tab to hold it in place. I used the thickest steel ever for those tabs and it took ages to cut the circles in them. If your wondering why it has two stems its because I didnt have enough spacers and I have ordered some at my local bike shop.

And here is my final construction image for this post:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10122011184.jpg

Its where I got up to today, from what I can tell there isnít too much more to do, I just need to install a rear brake tab and the bolts for the pulley wheels and then itís time to install so trinkets :)

Continued in part 3:

Richie104
12-10-2011, 04:11 PM
Part 3:

And now for the really interesting bit:

So far I have been comparing my work to manufactured products, mainly the M5 High Racer with 26" wheels. I have made two images today; the first is a Carbon M5 High Racer:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/Overlay3.jpg

And the second is a Standard Cromo M5 High Racer:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/Overlay4.jpg

From what I can see the only main noticeable difference is the head tube angle. This has actually proved to be quite a problem. These forks are shorter than the ones I was originally using and they have less rake so they have changed the geometry quite I bit. This has given me much more trail, I think itís about 4" so there is a bit of wheel flop and the bike holds very true. I originally thought of this as a complete failure till I read a page about the Marauder, which said its better for high speed. This flop is only noticeable if I turn the front wheel so its inline with a pedal so in general everyday riding this shouldn't be a problem.

So this is where I need your help fellow zombies. Do you think this wheel flop will be a problem?
And the bearings seem quite tight, Iím guessing this is because of the extreme head tube angle, is there any way to help this situation?

Richard

SirJoey
12-10-2011, 07:17 PM
Hey, those welds ain't bad at all!
Nice work & great progress, WTG! :)

I don't think I could ride laying on my back like that though.





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paucmarc
12-23-2011, 12:52 PM
My Tomahawk has a similar head tube angle to yours (judging by pictures), albeit with a 20" instead. So I don't think wheel flop will be too big a problem. Most of the time on mine, I hardly ever turn the wheel more than 10 degrees either side of straight. Lean into the turns and scream down the straights. But here's the better news.
It's a homebuilt. So if it's not exactly to your liking, break out the grinder and welder and make it what you want. It's lookin' good so far. The bottom bracket isn't going to be in your sight line will it?

savarin
12-24-2011, 07:34 AM
Excellent build, excellent welds. Its going to be a screaming winner.
My take on trail is what feels ok for you.
I've ridden many different styles with differing trail lengths, you get used to it in about 5 mins and then never notice it.

Richie104
12-31-2011, 10:23 AM
Hi all
Thanks for the nice comments; you really are a nice friendly bunch. In answer to paucmarc's question the bottom bracket isn't in my line of sight but I wouldn't want it any taller.
I haven't got much done recently due to Christmas, but I should be back out in the shed next weekend. During this down time I have been thinking about a fairing. I knew I wanted a tail box at the very least when I designed this and it has been thought about throughout the whole design, it seems like the most sensible thing to add to gain 2-3mph. I would of really liked to build a full on streamliner but I couldn't really use it safely on the street and I don't have a car so I couldn't take it to a velodrome or track to use it. As I originally mentioned in my outline of the bike I have to have at least dual 26" wheels as the roads are just so terrible round here. Therefore I don't think I will be able to use a full fairing as its too high and a crosswind would take a huge effect on it and the seat would have to be raised rather high so I could see over the fairing.
This has gotten me thinking about building a tail box and a rear wheel fairing but then also adding splitter plates and a small front splitter plate. This probably sounds really confusing so I made an image to try to show my ideas;

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/Fairing2.jpg

I think the best way to explain what I'm trying to do is build a streetable speed machine, while taking inspiration from a NoCom and trying to put that on a high racer.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/faired-nocom12.jpg

Just some ideas, the blue section will be made from 2.5mm correx, the wheel fairings will also be made of 2.5mm correx. The red splitter plate will be fibre glass for the compound shape, and the green section will be shaped to a sharp point out of 4mm correx. Im going to use aluminium ribs and poles inside the structures to keep them all nice and strong.

This is just some ideas I have floating around in my head. What do you all think of the design? Can anyone improve on my drunken Christmas fairing thoughts? :)
Kind regards
Richard

darnthedog
12-31-2011, 05:06 PM
Maybe you could use a Canopy from :http://www.blueskydsn.com/re_cov_.html
Not sure if you budget could use it but it would cut the wind nicely and keep the rain from falling on you. Plus it it clear to see through it.
When I build my enclosure I plan to use one.

darnthedog
12-31-2011, 05:09 PM
Double posted as I had an error the first attempt to post. Deleted this second post.

trikeman
01-01-2012, 05:13 AM
Its looking really good. I personally don't like a lot of trail, but as others have said, you probably get used to it. On my 20" front wheel tomahawk clone I cut and re-welded my frame to get me back to 2" and almost no wheel flop. I like what you are doing with fairings.

Richie104
01-07-2012, 04:30 PM
IT LIVES!!!!!!!..... sort of :)
Well I have been very hard at work today, I started at 11 and have just finished at 7:30. Its been a long, hard, fun day :)
Unfortunately I dont have any pictures of todays work, but I will write a little about what I have done and take a picture for you in the day light tomorrow.
The first thing I had to do this morning was pop to the hard ware store as I needed more cutting disks and some rivots.
The reason I needed rivots was because the stem I had was aluminium so I cut it in half, ground it down a little and it fitted rather tightly into some tubing I had in my garage just sitting around. So with much hammering I got the two halves in the pipe and then I put a pop rivot in each side just to make doubly certain it wasnt ever going to move.
I then moved onto the rear disk brake mount, I made a template on the back of some sand paper, cut it out and then traced it onto some steel, it took ages to cut out as I had some pretty mighty steel but it looked good in the end so it was worth it.
Then it was lunch time, mmm toasted cheese sandwiches and monster munch :)
Erm im just trying to think what happened next...... its been such a long day
Ow I made some mounts for the pulleys, I changed my design mid build to two pulleys as the chain was pulled out at a strange angle over my forks so I need to go and pick up another pulley sometime next week.
Then I seemed to spend a lifetime with a hacksaw cutting out caps for the ends, I would of done this with an angle grinder but I wanted them nice and accurate, my arms hurt now though and I never want to see or use a hacksaw ever again.
Finally I tidied up some of the welds at the back, and cracked out the flap disk ready for the painting next weekend. It still needs a bit of grinding and filling and making good but other wise its ok.
Now I have written all this out it doesn't actually seem like I have done much today :(
The final job of the day was to roll down the road on my recumbent, to make sure it all worked ok, this is the first time I have actually "ridden" (rolled) it so it makes all the time and effort worth while :)

Plan of action;
Next weekend I plan to get the final cleaning up of the welds done, and prime it. Maybe I can give it a first coat of paint too (weather/ time permitting) Any idea on a colour for it? Im also hoping to pick up the second pulley so I can fit that.

Then its just some more spraying, and fitting the hardware which could take some time as I need money for it.

I will try to get a new picture up tomorrow though so you can actually see what im on about.
Im also a little worried about my welding, my dad has put doubt in my mind that its going to split in two and now im scared, I did a jump test on it with my brother and it seemed alright but im just not sure now :confused:

Richie104
01-10-2012, 01:48 PM
Well here are those promised pictures :) There a little late I know but I have been busy. Its also very dark when I get home so im sorry about the quality.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012186.jpg
This is the frame as it stands at the moment, its pretty much finished. It just needs cleaning up and then some paint.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012187.jpg
This is my mighty stem, its a super tight fit but I rivotted it just in case, its better to be safe than sorry. I had to make it like this as the originnal stem was alu and I cant weld that :(

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012188.jpg
These are the tabs I made for the pulleys, there 6mm mild steel so they should be nice and strong

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012189.jpg
My rear disc brake mount, it think it turned out rather well, its probably my best bit, just a shame no one will really see it.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012190.jpg
A quick view from the front

Richie104
01-10-2012, 01:48 PM
And now for a rather dark photo shoot

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012191.jpg

and now to make myself look silly :)

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012194.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/10012012195.jpg

I hope you like my progress so far.

TexasTuff
01-10-2012, 01:57 PM
Grads on your success so far. Have you got your pulley problems solved yet? Looks like this will be a really FAST ride.

Brandon
01-10-2012, 02:07 PM
richie,

That looks ace! Where are you in the UK? The monster munch dinner confirmed your location!

A real laid back affair you have, sweet.

Tail box next then...

Richie104
01-10-2012, 02:30 PM
Hey you guys replied rather quick :) Have you been sitting on here refresing the site waiting for the pictures.
Thanks for the nice comments it means a lot to me

TexusTuff; Sorry I didnt reply to your post in the pulley forum I have been so busy at uni recently. I found a small pulley off an old downhill bike, its rather small but I thought I would just try it and see what happens. If it breaks I will just find a new one and weld it on.

Brandon; Yep im in the UK thats why I have had so many problems finding pulleys. I love monster munch :) It is rather laid back but it should be good fun and very fast. Once I have a few miles on it and I know its alright I will start pestering people I know for coroplast and make a tail box. I think I will start a new thread about that in the fairings forum so keep your eyes peeled.

Richie104
03-03-2012, 08:01 AM
Hey guys, how are you all?
I havent been on here for a while to update you but there hasn't been much development..... until today. The weather has been horrible here so I havent felt like going out into my garage and working. I also broken my ribs a few weeks back so that has been slowing me down too.

Well I got a parcel this morning with chain and some nice shiny cranks I got super cheap as there the 2009 versions so they went straight on my bike. This ment that I could get a running drivechain on it and see what its like properly instead of just scooting it down a big hill :)
Here is an image which will show you where im at, I think it looks a whole lot better with chain and cranks;
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/03032012199.jpg

As always im happy for any pointers and to hear your thoughts on the bike.
Regards
Richard

Odd Man Out
03-03-2012, 02:20 PM
Really looking forward to an extended ride report with your observations as to how it "feels" riding around in such a laid back position -- especially around sweeping corners where you need to lean. Does it come instinctively? Is it scary or exhilerating or a bit o both. I eagerly await.

Richie104
03-04-2012, 09:11 AM
Really looking forward to an extended ride report with your observations as to how it "feels" riding around in such a laid back position -- especially around sweeping corners where you need to lean. Does it come instinctively? Is it scary or exhilerating or a bit o both. I eagerly await.

Well I rode it around with just one gear for about half an hour yesterday and its really easy to turn and it feels amazing, its easy to lean into turns and I havent had any problems so far with being so laid back but its a little wobbly on the straights but I think thats more me not being used to it as I have never been on a recumbent before.
I got off it yesterday and I definately had the recumbent grin :) I love how people come and ask you what it is and every motorist I have seen has been terrified and given me a whole lane of room to pass.
Here is a quick video incase you havent already seen it;


http://youtu.be/c97f-VFD5gA


http://youtu.be/mOcd0MR6Sks

I have a quick question and im hoping someone can help me out. I wanted to get a nice curved proper recumbent seat but there is no way im going to be able to afford a proper fibreglass one. I read a post on here somewhere about someone making a seat out of thin layers of plywood and gluing them together, it looked absolutely brilliant and I wanted to have a go for my seat but I cant find it anywhere, can any of you help me out?

imamedik
03-04-2012, 10:26 AM
I have a quick question and im hoping someone can help me out. I wanted to get a nice curved proper recumbent seat but there is no way im going to be able to afford a proper fibreglass one. I read a post on here somewhere about someone making a seat out of thin layers of plywood and gluing them together, it looked absolutely brilliant and I wanted to have a go for my seat but I cant find it anywhere, can any of you help me out?

Richie, this may be helpful, the top link is his plans for a seat. Click on it and view it as a pdf

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Edgar+K.+Atkins%22

SirJoey
03-04-2012, 10:56 AM
Here is a quick video incase you havent already seen it;

Proof positive that it is in fact possible to ride a bike while lying down... :laugh3:



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TexasTuff
03-04-2012, 12:21 PM
Richie, how do you see over your feet. Your BB is higher than your . . . well higher than anything.

Richie104
03-04-2012, 12:59 PM
Richie, this may be helpful, the top link is his plans for a seat. Click on it and view it as a pdf

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Edgar+K.+Atkins%22


I had a look and it wasn't the one I remembered but it looks like its the same sort of idea. Thanks for sharing the link.



Proof positive that it is in fact possible to ride a bike while lying down... :laugh3:

I certainly wouldnt want to be any lower or more reclined or I might fall asleep :)


Richie, how do you see over your feet. Your BB is higher than your . . . well higher than anything.

Haha, it is pretty high but I thought I would make it super aerodynamic (I didn't really it just turned out like that :)). I can see between my feet and I sort of look through my legs and down at the road or far out in front. It turns out my head is just about high enough and I have to put my proper seat on it and some foam so I may be about another inch taller when its finished. I seem to be able to manage like it though, it will definately need a neck roll at some point :)

imamedik
03-04-2012, 05:03 PM
I had a look and it wasn't the one I remembered but it looks like its the same sort of idea. Thanks for sharing the link.

Is this the one you were thinking of,

3831 3832

3830 3833

I don't remember the thread it came from but I did save the pics from it.

Richie104
03-04-2012, 05:35 PM
Yer that's the one I was looking for! Thanks so much for finding them for me. Now it's time to play a new game, who can remember the thread these pictures came from :)

On a unrelated note I have put all the parts on the bike and it comes in at 17.4Kg which I think is pretty respectable for a home build. A similar factory model the Challenge Furai is 15.5Kg. This answers one of my very first posts on this forum called how heavy is a completed tomahawk.

I'm getting so excited now as there isn't too much more to do, it needs a proper seat, a clean up and some paint and then the last of the trinkets (shifters, front brake, front derailleur) and I'm done

John Lewis
03-05-2012, 02:56 AM
Hi Richie,
That seat was in my Moulded Wood Seat thread. I got the idea originally from some posts on BROL. There's a link in my thread.

http://forum.atomiczombie.com/showthread.php?2201-Moulded-Wood-Seat&highlight=now+its+a+marauder

Here's a link to Atom Bikes. I think there is a bent wood seat there as well as a lot of other good stuff.

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=edgar%20k.%20atkins

John Lewis

river
03-05-2012, 10:19 AM
Wow Great plans for a seat. I saw that and just have to try making it. I have the three pieces made for the jig already. Just have to put it together. and get some 1/4 birch plywood

Richie104
03-19-2012, 02:57 PM
Well I have finally got to the last stages of my seat, I glued all three layers together this morning and its now going to sit in my garage till sunday.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/19032012208.jpg

TexasTuff
03-19-2012, 03:28 PM
Nice job Richie. You are about 2 days ahead of me for my first seat, but I have 4 of them to build. Maybe I should have built 2 mold.

imamedik
03-19-2012, 06:44 PM
Hi,
I just wanted to ask how your seat is coming along and if you have any pictures up. I just started gluing mine today and im hoping to get it out some time this weekend.
Regards
Richard

Richie, from your PM, after I made my seat I realized the bottom of the seat and lumbar support were not to my liking, you can see in the photo I added extra foam to help with it. I will eventually make another one.

3893

the blue foam (yoga mat from Walmart) is squishy like gel and very comfortable

3894

I used coarse drywall screws spaced 2" apart around the edges to keep it from de-laminating. If you look close you can see four 1/4 in machine screws, they screw into T-nuts under the foam

3892

I am going to cover it with black canvas

John Lewis
03-20-2012, 06:16 AM
That seat came out well.
I did my mould the reverse of yours and pulled the seat down into it. The seat back against the mould. I think your way looks better to be able to clamp.
Mine has been done a couple years now. I used exterior grade white PVA glue and there is no sign of delamination. I didn't use the woodscrews but that is good insurance.

John

Richie104
03-22-2012, 01:11 PM
Thanks for the reply imamedik, your seat looks really nice and I like your idea to stop it from de-laminating.
I finished my seat today so I thought I would put some pictures up so you guys can see it;

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/22032012210.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/22032012211.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/22032012214.jpg

I cant believe how much better a seat makes the bike look, and how comfortable it is, its definately worth making the effort to do it. I think its too nice to just paint it though so its going to be vanished instead.
Now all I have left to do is paint the seat, clean the bike up and paint it.
The list is finally getting shorter now and its nearly summer so im on schedule :)

imamedik
03-22-2012, 08:22 PM
..... I think its too nice to just paint it though so its going to be vanished instead.
...

Richie, it does look to nice to paint. :punk: What color are you going to paint the bike? You can stain the seat a complimentary color before you varnish it

darnthedog
03-23-2012, 02:58 AM
That is a really cool looking seat. Maybe a clear epoxy finish might be in order to protect the wood and leave a clear glass look to it. Plus the added protection from weather and sun. Just a thought.

Richie104
03-23-2012, 03:36 AM
Richie, it does look to nice to paint. :punk: What color are you going to paint the bike? You can stain the seat a complimentary color before you varnish it

I was just going to paint the bike white, so I thought the wood and the white frame would look quite nice together. Can you think of any nice colours that would go together then?

I do like the sound of epoxy if it looks like glass but I have no idea how to do it as I have never done that before?

darnthedog
03-23-2012, 07:53 AM
Here is one method I found- Google is our friend.
www.woodworkersinstitute.com/page.asp?p=1568

From what I have seen IT is a beautiful clear finish that looks like glass. However I have not had the opportunity to try it yet myself. But I have seen Home bar stands made from tree trunks that were coated in epoxy and loved it.

Odd Man Out
03-23-2012, 08:42 AM
Just a thought:
If it looks like glass, will it be as slick as glass??? Not a good combo for fast corners...

Richie104
03-23-2012, 11:02 AM
Thanks for the link darnthedog, I found a really good video on YouTube about it so I will go out and get supplies tomorrow and then keep you posted on how it's going.

Don't worry **** *** I'm going to be putting some foam on it and hopefully it will get some ventalist padding on it but I will have to check the budget first.

Richie104
03-24-2012, 01:44 PM
I have been out getting the last few bits today and have been to Halfords, B&Q, Screw Fix, Orbital Fastenings, and Tool Station. It has been a 5 hour shopping bonanza and I can now fully understand what a woman feels like when they go clothes/ shoe shopping! It's been great but I think I spent too much :( Ow well it should be a nice day tomorrow so I can make some good progress and I have a month off Uni soon so I should finish it then :)

Richie104
03-29-2012, 05:41 AM
Well I spent about 6 hours sanding the bike down yesterday entirely by hand and now im aching today but I got it to a super smooth shiny surface so it has got its feet wet :) Its currently handing in the alleyway with primer and its will be rubbed down tonight ready for another coat of primer as I got a few small runs in it where I got too close :mad:

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/28032012219.jpg

river
03-29-2012, 07:22 AM
Looking good, Now comes the fun part seeing it all come together and tweaking it

Richie104
04-09-2012, 10:23 AM
I finished painting the stem today so I could put the bars on and lots of other cool parts. Its nearly there now as I only need to varnish the seat and find some foam to put on top. Im still really struggling to find some nice foam so if anyone has some good ideas of what to buy and where to get it in the UK I would really appreciate it. I have already tried looking on Google but I dont really know what im look for/ at.
Anyway here are some pictures of it in its current state which I think looks really cool and im so happy with the way its all coming together now, unfortunately there not all that great and I wanted to take some outside but its pouring with rain :(

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/09042012224.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/09042012221.jpg

And this final image is from approximately my head height so you can see what its like in the cockpit of my mad machine;

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/09042012222.jpg

savarin
04-09-2012, 10:31 AM
Try your local sports store for a yoga mat or camping store for a sleeping mat, they are both closed cell high density foam (I hope)

river
04-09-2012, 11:34 AM
Bike looks great. I used a 1/2 inch yoga pad, I love to find something a inch thick. contemplating gluing another 1/2 inch pad on it but I'm nervous about doing that. Nit sure what would work That mold is the opposite of the mold i used. I think the other mold is stronger but either one will do the job. Richie are you decided on a color. paint or powder coat looks like your ready for some cruising

Mad7
04-09-2012, 02:59 PM
Fantastic build looks really clean and fast. Good job

BRAAP
04-09-2012, 03:27 PM
Very nice, looking forward to a finished ride report. :)

Richie104
04-24-2012, 05:35 AM
Well I think its time for an update, since my last update I have sanded and varnished the seat 5 times so it looks absolutely beautiful, I have also changed the bars and there have been a few other minor alterations. I have found some foam called Zote Foam which looks perfect for the job and I have some on order.
But the really important news is that I took it out for a test ride in between showers this morning in its near finished state and its absolutely amazing! I can't do too much on it yet, Im still wobbly and I struggling with my starts a little, it normally takes me 2 attempts but im getting there, but once I have started its a dream, its so smooth and effort less and it just feels like its flying over the ground. I took it up a local hill and its climbs fine which was probably my biggest worry and it came down pretty well but I couldn't really let it loose on the down as like I said earlier im still a little wobbly and I dont trust the welds yet :)
Once the foam is on I will give you some final pictures and I also plan to measure all the geometry and weight and stuff so you can have a look if your into all that.

Richie104
04-25-2012, 07:50 AM
Well here is the spec sheet, and a nice photo of it in the sun;
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/Justneedsfoam.jpg

4172

I have got my confidence up a bit more now and my starts and stops are a little better, I took it to my favorite hill and I was able to climb it but you just have to sit and spin but it was surprisingly stable. The down bit was amazing, I normally have to pedal up over the middle bit and really work hard to keep up with the cars, but I was actually lightly touching the brakes all the way down, I think it must of got up to about 40mph and it felt great so im one happy builders at the moment.
Once I get the seat foam on I will give you one last picture and then I think thats me done.

Its been a long strange trip over about 6 months but I would like to thanks you all for all your input and guidance and I would like to give a special thank you to Brad and Kat for producing some truely excellent plans.

savarin
04-25-2012, 08:16 AM
Richie you have built yourself an awesome bike well done.
You will be flinging it around with the best of them in a couple more rides.

TexasTuff
04-25-2012, 10:02 AM
Good job Richie, I've enjoyed watching your post through the entire build.

HPVTraveler
04-25-2012, 12:06 PM
Great job and a great looking bike. I too have enjoyed watching your build. Now am looking forward to your ride report.

You have built a great machine, as your confidence grows your riding pleasure will as well. Soon you will be the envy of those who live near you. I hope for and wish you many miles of riding pleasure, on a bike that you can take pride in when you say "I built this".

David_s
04-25-2012, 12:10 PM
Now is the time that videos aren't enough now we want ride videos.
Demand buncha @$$%$@#$@#$ aren't we.
Really nice bike.

John Lewis
04-25-2012, 10:57 PM
Hey Richie,
That turned out great. A first class build and you should be very proud of your achievement.
Only get to look in on the forum occasionally of late so great to see you are up and running.
Enjoy the ride. The good weather must be starting up in your part of the world as we are heading towards winter. That will give you lots of opportunity to get out and have fun.

John

river
04-26-2012, 08:39 AM
Wow that came out awesome, you did a great job on your build. Get out there and have a blast. What's next. congrats

Richie104
05-11-2012, 08:25 AM
Thanks for all the nice comments guys :)
I do have a few ideas for what is coming next but they will have to wait till I have some more time and money. I have caught the building bug.
I guess I should of listened to you all as I was out riding today and I heard a strange noise, I looked down to see that the chain had eaten through my pulley :(
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/richie1045/Pulley.jpg
So now I need some new pulleys. This is the best I can find:
http://www.expertfitnessuk.co.uk/73mm-diameter-wire-rope-nylon-pulley-332-p.asp
There are also these too:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-3-V-Belt-Idler-Pulleys-/370610982700?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item564a22cf2c
I have been struggling with finding pulleys right from the start so I hope you can help me and this time I will listen when you all say there too small :)

river
05-11-2012, 09:17 AM
I guess we all have a few bugs to get out of them first time out. i had to change my pulley to to a little bigger one. I know some one on here posted sites for them very reasonable. I not sure who. do a search. Fix that pulley and ride

Richie104
05-20-2012, 11:32 AM
Well I have brought 3 diffrent kinds of pulleys, and I ever made some in my engineering shop at uni and I have killed all of them, most only last 4-5 miles. I have tried nylon, steel and a carbon mix and nothing seems to stand up to the abuse im giving them so I have decided to end this project here so there will be no more updates and I will be starting a new front wheel drive bike that has absolutely no pulleys in the drive train!
Thanks for following guys and I hope you enjoy following the new bike build.

TexasTuff
05-20-2012, 01:30 PM
Sorry for the problem Richie. I have a pulley on my trike that has 100's of miles on it. It's an idler pulley for a riding lawnmower. I could get the exact info for you if you need. I don't have the severe angle that you on your lowrider. I think my son has the same pulley on his lowrider. Good luck with your new build.

EDIT: I think it was only about $13 USD.

imamedik
05-20-2012, 01:53 PM
Richie, I have an idea that may help. You may have already used a V-belt pulley before, but you can glue a section of a V-belt in the groove with a strong adhesive. The V-belt is very durable and will act as a buffer between the chain and the pulley and if it wears out it is easily replaced.

Richie104
05-21-2012, 06:52 AM
Thanks for the suggestions guys, but to be honest with you I have given up on pulleys, I must of spent about £100 on diffrent pulleys and the best ones only lasted about 30 miles :( Besides this gives me a nice excuse to build a new bike and sort out some of the things I have learn while building this one. I have already decided on a name for the new one, it will be the Phoenix as it was reborn from the ashes of this design. The other slight problem with trying new pulleys on this bike is that it sort of got attacked by an angle grinder this morning so there is nothing left to attach them too :jester: